717 certification stall test

Tiptank said:
I wonder how many of the critics in this thread would have reacted if they had their hand on the yoke during this.. err... maneuver. Seems like a lot of posters have the rather sensible reaction of "HOLY F***!!! ) The rest are like "yeah, he did that so wrong, I would have done it better".

How many of you guys have been in an actual 717, in any scenario, training or whatever, pointed straight down at Terra Firma? Chemicals in your brain often interfere with rational thought and all...
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That would be the case in any jetliner, let alone just the 717. But then the question becomes, why was the airplane pointing straight down at terra firma in the first place? And lets prevent that.

When it comes to the civilian side, I don't think many pilots have ever flown inverted. Personally, I'm looking for an upset recovery course just to see it. Conditions which one is normally not exposed to. Not sure if I should try the courses offering it in an Extra 2/300 or the L39 Albatross. Those are the only affordable ones. The ones offering it in a jet, although more appropriate for my type of flying, it's just too cost prohibitive.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Not sure if I should try the courses offering it in an Extra 2/300 or the L39 Albatross. Those are the only affordable ones. The ones offering it in a jet, although more appropriate for my type of flying, it's just too cost prohibitive.
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The L39 is a jet. Typically run about $2000/hr.

Getting upside down doing some acro in a 8KCAB will probably serve you almost as well, and be a lot cheaper.

I've never been quite sure whether the "upset recovery" courses, taught in relatively dirty dedicated aerobatic airplanes with all-airspeed control performance by aerobatic pilots with minimal-to-no transport-category experience are meaningfully better than just going out and getting familiar with strapping on a low-performance all-attitude airplane for a lot less dough.

-Fox
 
Acrofox said:
The L39 is a jet. Typically run about $2000/hr.

Getting upside down doing some acro in a 8KCAB will probably serve you almost as well, and be a lot cheaper.

I've never been quite sure whether the "upset recovery" courses, taught in relatively dirty dedicated aerobatic airplanes with all-airspeed control performance by aerobatic pilots with minimal-to-no transport-category experience are meaningfully better than just going out and getting familiar with strapping on a low-performance all-attitude airplane for a lot less dough.

-Fox
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Yes the Albatross is a jet. Several courses offer this jet for a reasonable price (~3000). What I meant was someone like APS and others offering the Macheriati (sp), Gulfstream I, or the Learjet. That quickly becomes an 18,000 dollar course.
 
Acrofox said:
obsequitur?
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Maybe!

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Acrofox said:
The L39 is a jet. Typically run about $2000/hr.

Getting upside down doing some acro in a 8KCAB will probably serve you almost as well, and be a lot cheaper.

I've never been quite sure whether the "upset recovery" courses, taught in relatively dirty dedicated aerobatic airplanes with all-airspeed control performance by aerobatic pilots with minimal-to-no transport-category experience are meaningfully better than just going out and getting familiar with strapping on a low-performance all-attitude airplane for a lot less dough.

-Fox
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Speaking from experience, I can say with a pretty good level of certainty that while an unusual attitude is about the same sight picture in any airplane, the safe entry and exit procedures for such positions are VERY different between a light acro plane and a (moderately) heavy jet.
 
BobDDuck said:
Speaking from experience, I can say with a pretty good level of certainty that while an unusual attitude is about the same sight picture in any airplane, the safe entry and exit procedures for such positions are VERY different between a light acro plane and a (moderately) heavy jet.
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Just to be clear, you're agreeing with me, right? I'm never sure these days!

-Fox
 
All I know is is that dude in the FAA 727 with the blue stripe in the video taxis too fast. The FAA must not pay by the hour or he's one of Herb's retired guys.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
And oh, this is a wake turbulence exercise? Pretty sure the NTSB came down harshly on at least one legacy airline for over-emphasizing the impact of wake turbulence on large transport category aircraft. If you're cruising along, you're not gonna flip on your back. This isn't a RJ or a Learjet.
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C'mon man, read the freaking comments of the video. It is NOT a wake turbulence encounter. These are trained Boeing test pilots doing stall certification testing. Clearly, they didn't expect the airplane to depart the way it did, and the jump seater gets up to check on the flight test Engineers in the back at the end of the video.

This literally has nothing to do with wake turbulence. If you read the comments, some 717 pilots at an airline in Australia posted it to make fun of each other.

The last few pages of this thread and all the wake turbulence arguments were totally pointless and off topic...
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Don't let the gun thread get to you here, leave off the personal attacks.

No airline pilot practices departure from controlled flight in a real airliner. For that matter, no one trains maneuvers in the real plane, it's all in the Level D sim.

As for this video, it's too grainy to make out many things on the PFD but it seems to flip on its back and the pilot pulls into what appears to be a split-S type dive.
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I didn't attack you, sorry if you took it that way. It seemed you got off on this tangent of wake turbulence based on an additional posted video while everyone else seemed to be talking about the OP video. When you make statements like "just keep rolling" and "never use rudder during a wake encounter" I was curious if you'd been in those situations in the airplane. I realize most of us haven't and don't in the sim. When you deep stall a swept wing airplane like they did and as others have mentioned, you probably don't have enough airflow to "keep it rolling". During a wake encounter you might, if you don't run out of altitude 3/4 of the way around. But they're two completely different scenarios. You just seem to jump to extreme conclusions about things.

You did mention getting some acro training. You'd have a blast. Even if it's in a Decathlon.
 
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