3 killed in west PHX plane crash.

Definitely a tough week for DVT!! I just hope the "It always happens in Three's" skips DVT!! It has been pretty solemn around Pan-Am, so we know how the Westwind'ers must feel. Our prayers go out to all the families involved.

LC
 
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Sounds like it oculd have been a stall-spin ... spins in twins = really, really bad juju.
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[/ QUOTE ]are they supposed to practice stalls in a twin? maybe they couldn't get the engines back on? Do they have "little black boxes" in those planes?
 
My thoughts are with the families on this terrible day. As a somewhat recent flight instructor out of AZ I always hate to to hear about these types of accidents especially from the flight training facilities that are so close to what was "home" for me for two years. I used to instruct in the Seminoles and its hard to speculate as to what happened. Its a great training aircraft with decent engine-inop handling characteristics even with 3 people on board. Its forums like these though that really make me appreciate the quality people that visit this site and I know that those families will have tons of support from the aviation community.
 
Could have been a Vmc demo that got out of hand. Or stalls that got out of hand. Or a stall w/ an engine failure at the same time. That could get you into a spin might fast. And no, I don't believe "they" do spin tests in twins.
 
1) Yeah you practice stalls in a twin (stalls aren't necessarily dangerous in a twin if done correctly see below).

2) A stall is a function of the wing ceasing to produce lift once the wing has exceeded the critical angle of attack. It's not like a "stall" in a car where the engine cuts out. Engines should have little to do with it unless they were practicing single-engine work and entered a stall in that condition which would pretty much lead directly to a spin. Which is why single-engine stalls are not practiced anymore.

3) No, no little black boxes. And because they were in the practice area I doubt they would have been talking to a tower (Towers DO record the frequency but then it would only have transmissions over freq. not cockpit recordings).
 
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Sounds like it oculd have been a stall-spin ... spins in twins = really, really bad juju.
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[/ QUOTE ]are they supposed to practice stalls in a twin? maybe they couldn't get the engines back on? Do they have "little black boxes" in those planes?

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Yeap, I am sure Doug has eevn practiced stalls in the MD-90. When you stall you are stall the wings, not like a car stalling. The engines will be running the whole time. No little black boxes, the wreckage will tell the story.

I am sure Doug will explain it to you when he is back in PHX.
 
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but it does make you want to check all your paperwork and make sure you have everything taken care of (family related stuff) just for "in case" scenario's...

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That was the first thing I did....go back and review my life insurance paperwork.....
 
i go to westwind and yes it was the barney plane that went down. a very very sad day at westwind as it probably still is at Pan Am. 5 people in less than a week at DVT. from what some people believe is that the piper seminole got into a stall-spin and did not recover. all 3 guys will be extremely missed.

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its called the barney plane because it is westwinds only plane that is purple and white resemling barney
 
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