ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
Our flight department only requires class 2.(and didn't even require an ATP until a few years ago)
1st Class Medical required for FO's
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Well, the point of the second class medical are for pilots who would like to fly professionally but not at the level which an ATP is required.
I think.
But my short answer is, "it's available because it is. If you want to fly jets for the airlines, you need a First Class medical"
I think.
But my short answer is, "it's available because it is. If you want to fly jets for the airlines, you need a First Class medical"
Just to put this stupid argument to rest, here is a current Part 121 job opening requiring a second-class medical for First Officers:
http://www.avianation.com/aviation_jobs/jobDetail.cfm?jobid=13084056505
First-class medicals are required by most part 121 airlines (up until August 2) but are not a legal obligation. However, flights requiring 3 crewmembers require FO's to possess a first-class medical in order to meet foreign requirements. That being said, a commercial pilot requires second-class medical..
Ya wrong, Doug....
Anyhow, it's BS
http://www.avianation.com/aviation_jobs/jobDetail.cfm?jobid=13084056505
First-class medicals are required by most part 121 airlines (up until August 2) but are not a legal obligation. However, flights requiring 3 crewmembers require FO's to possess a first-class medical in order to meet foreign requirements. That being said, a commercial pilot requires second-class medical..
Ya wrong, Doug....
Anyhow, it's BS
And all the brand new HAL 330 FOs are going to be merged with all the crusty fNWA FOs. It'll be epic!
ricecakecm
Well-Known Member
It's driven by the law requiring FOs to hold an ATP.
From InFO 13004:
"...Airline Safety and Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Extension Act of 2010, Public Law (P.L.) 111-216, section 216, pilot flightcrew members who are authorized to operate in part 121 operations must have obtained an ATP certificate, issued under part 61 by August 2, 2013, regardless of the FAA’s progress in related rulemaking. As a result of that requirement, all pilot flightcrew members will be exercising the privileges of an ATP certificate and, therefore, will be required to hold a first class medical certificate per § 61.23."
http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...afety/info/all_infos/media/2013/InFO13004.pdf
If you are required to hold an ATP by rule (law in this case for the time being), then you are required to hold a first class medical certificate. So 121 PICs and SICs; and PICs operating jets and under commuter rules; and PICs of multi engine turbine powered aircraft operating under 91K all have to have an ATP, and they need the first class medical.
From InFO 13004:
"...Airline Safety and Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Extension Act of 2010, Public Law (P.L.) 111-216, section 216, pilot flightcrew members who are authorized to operate in part 121 operations must have obtained an ATP certificate, issued under part 61 by August 2, 2013, regardless of the FAA’s progress in related rulemaking. As a result of that requirement, all pilot flightcrew members will be exercising the privileges of an ATP certificate and, therefore, will be required to hold a first class medical certificate per § 61.23."
http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...afety/info/all_infos/media/2013/InFO13004.pdf
If you are required to hold an ATP by rule (law in this case for the time being), then you are required to hold a first class medical certificate. So 121 PICs and SICs; and PICs operating jets and under commuter rules; and PICs of multi engine turbine powered aircraft operating under 91K all have to have an ATP, and they need the first class medical.
Both medical classes are essentially the same with the exception for the need to take a EKG at the age of 35 and after the age of 40 once a year for the 1st class. No big deal if a person takes care of themselves.
I have never heard of a pilot not being certified for a medical after a crash of any kind unless this person had something else going on you haven't told us about.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Yep. It's just the hassle of having to do it twice a year now. My AME even charges the same if you need an EKG. Some of those guys rake you over the coals just to hook you up to the damn thing....
Are you 40?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Because there are pilots who had 1st class medicals and were hired that way, then lost it later down the road and could only hold a 2nd class medical. In fact, some pilot CBAs have a section that if a pilot cannot hold/maintain a 1st class medical, they can hold a 2nd class medical, then they can continue flying as FOs. This new rule is about to seriously screw certain pilots who fall in that boat. The second class standards are less strict than first class, and there cases where when pilots may no longer be able to hold a first class medical but could hold a second class.Start working on that "Medical Flight Waiver" like yesterday.
Curious what in the world HR was doing hiring pilots who weren't qualified to eventually upgrade to captain? Nothing personal, remember, I don't know you!
I'm sure ALPA will get their back.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Hard to say until one is in that position. It doesn't mean they are dangerous because they can't hold a 1st class anymore. It's not like they'll bend over and die on you in flight. Personally, it isn't hard to imagine a legacy Captain making $210k decide to stay as FO and make $120k with a 2nd class only medical. But like you said, hopefully they can pursue a medical waiver or SODA for first class.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Not for another 2 years. Just thinking ahead.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
It's reality for a lot of pilots. They lose a 1st class, can still hold a 2nd class, and fly as FO permanently as their pilot CBA allows. I wouldn't judge them because medically I'm not in their shoes. But all these recent changes have come about from the Colgan crash, and this particular change is totally unnecessary and is going to screw a very small group of pilots who are in this boat.
A300Capt
Freight Dawg
It's easy to say the 1st class is easy and you shouldn't sweat the EKG or whatever other test is required and that its no big deal. It is a big deal to those that have worked long and hard toward they're profession only to have it yank out from under their feet for what would be considered basically a non-event in another profession.
Begin rant:
I wonder how many politicians could pass a 1st class in order to run for and maintain their seat in office? How many surgeons could pass it in order to continue they're profession? How about random drug and alcohol tests? I'm sure the rules would change real fast if that we're the case!
For you young healthy bucks.....the older you get the harder it is to maintain your medical. Some of that may be no fault of your own. Heredity and sometimes just plan bad luck or circumstances come into play. And, just because you can't hold a 1st class doesn't mean you're on your death bed and just because you can doesn't mean you won't drop dead 5 mins after you walk out of the doc's office.
I have no problem with an airline/professional pilot only holding a 2nd class.
Begin rant:
I wonder how many politicians could pass a 1st class in order to run for and maintain their seat in office? How many surgeons could pass it in order to continue they're profession? How about random drug and alcohol tests? I'm sure the rules would change real fast if that we're the case!
For you young healthy bucks.....the older you get the harder it is to maintain your medical. Some of that may be no fault of your own. Heredity and sometimes just plan bad luck or circumstances come into play. And, just because you can't hold a 1st class doesn't mean you're on your death bed and just because you can doesn't mean you won't drop dead 5 mins after you walk out of the doc's office.
I have no problem with an airline/professional pilot only holding a 2nd class.