141 versus 61

[drunkenbeagle]

I think that 60 hour difference is just a way of cutting out excessive "free time".

Well, what I getting at is the time is pretty valuable to you at first. If 300 hours part 61 runs you about the same money as 190 part 141, wouldn't you rather have the additional experience actually in an airplane?

I much prefer the cockpit to a classroom. Plus, I'm always snickering quietly when I see those poor kids wearing epaulettes on the ramp getting into a skyhawk.

 

[400A]

Well, what I getting at is the time is pretty valuable to you at first. If 300 hours part 61 runs you about the same money as 190 part 141, wouldn't you rather have the additional experience actually in an airplane?

I much prefer the cockpit to a classroom. Plus, I'm always snickering quietly when I see those poor kids wearing epaulettes on the ramp getting into a skyhawk.

I agree, time in the air, in the beginning especially, is valuable, I was trying to explain the possible thinking the FAA has when lowering the TT requirements 141 vs 61.


Don't be so quick to snicker at what someone is wearing whilst training. While I will argue to the ends of the earth your quality of dress has nothing to do with your abilities, I won't discount how someone else may feel when dressed "up". Dress and uniform codes are known before entering a program, if someone likes that and helps them perform just a smidge better or even a lot better by dressing up, then so be it.

Different strokes for different folks.


no I never wore a uniform while training, you had to drag me kicking and screaming to a shirt and tie. DEs were lucky if my T shirt wasn't some offensive one.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Different strokes for different folks.

Agree entirely. But we can still laugh at them.

 

[400A]

Agree entirely. But we can still laugh at them.

Yeah, but laughing at people for something as trivial as how they dress isn't funny. But, I like everyone, save California natives.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Yeah, but laughing at people for something as trivial as how they dress isn't funny.

Different strokes for different folks!

 

[drunkenbeagle]

Agree entirely. But we can still laugh at them.

Can, and do.

I have a few Van Huesen Aviator's. You won't see me wearing one for 5 seconds longer than necesssary.

I don't blame the students (unless they are wearing that getup away from the airport). I havee nothing against uniforms, wore one myself in the USAF. But there is a time and place,
civilian flight school isn't the place or time

 

[Goldmember]

Our Req's are the same part 61 as they are for part 141. If you want to fly, you have to fly every thirty days or go up with an instructor for a loop in the pattern. If you want to fly IFR, you have to be checked out IFR and remain current, that's it. For night, be night current. Building solo XC time is a part of the commercial 141 program just like it is in the part 61, but the only difference is there is less of it total time, but actually a mix of IFR and VFR flying. Just last month a 141 kid took our 172 up to cleveland, over to wisconsin, and back, 30 hours of flying, all logged under part 141 flight lessons. We made each "mission" fit the 141 "lesson" and he gets credit while going and seeing all his old college buddies.

This isn't like college flight training where they won't let you train for your IFR ticket in ACTUAL...now that's some BS. (And I know of at least 3 schools like this and I know not all are like this)

 

[moxiepilot]

Our Req's are the same part 61 as they are for part 141. If you want to fly, you have to fly every thirty days or go up with an instructor for a loop in the pattern. If you want to fly IFR, you have to be checked out IFR and remain current, that's it. For night, be night current. Building solo XC time is a part of the commercial 141 program just like it is in the part 61, but the only difference is there is less of it total time, but actually a mix of IFR and VFR flying. Just last month a 141 kid took our 172 up to cleveland, over to wisconsin, and back, 30 hours of flying, all logged under part 141 flight lessons. We made each "mission" fit the 141 "lesson" and he gets credit while going and seeing all his old college buddies.

This isn't like college flight training where they won't let you train for your IFR ticket in ACTUAL...now that's some BS. (And I know of at least 3 schools like this and I know not all are like this)

Yeah, but your program has some BS too, because 61 is NOT 141. Your FBO policy is there to cover their butt, not be a 141 program. Have the owner show me where it requires a pilot to fly every 30 days in the regs and I'll give him/her my car.

 

[Goldmember]

Every Policy is there to cover your butt, that's what policies are for. I'm not saying we don't have things I don't agree with here, just trying to show that just because you are 141 your flight training doesn't have to be lame.

--and sorry, I didn't answer your question. There is absolutely nowhere in the regs that says a pilot has to fly every 30 days, it's his policy and to be honest it's one that I like. But it's also nowhere in the regs that a person has to be checked out in an aircraft if they are rated for it. Example, my student just got his private license with 50 hours in the 152, do you think it's a good idea for him to go jump in the cherokee six and pile 5 of his buddies in there are go fly without ever even being in that airplane. Probably not, but who's going to rent it to him without a checkout. Sounds like a decent policy to me.

*Happy Thanksgiving, I'm thankful for freedom and everyone on this board who has helped create the pilot I am today.