I never once experienced someone not wanting to start the APU in 6 years. After now sitting in the left seat for a year I consider one thing, I'll sweat it out for a couple minutes so I don't start it when the FO is behind the tail in case they don't have ear plugs. I try to have it cool by the time they come up.
121 guys, how does this happen? (AKA,Oh Delta)
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Skåning
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Is there any other way?
If I think that’ll be the case I’ll crank APU/packs and just do the walk around, taking some ear plugs. But our pre flight procedures are really FO heavy, so they seem to appreciate the extra time.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
As much as we like to accuse airline management of being stupid, they generally aren't. I'm sure the math shows the savings of minimal apu usage exceeds the costs of lawsuits and bad PR. Doesn't make it right though.
There’s a quiet civil war going on at the moment.
One side is “we’ll form a cross divisional team to explore why this happened” and the other side is “SPEAK! What the hell went down, we don’t need a team, we need facts, ASAP”
It’s sad, but hilarious, but ultimately sad.
guywhoflies
Y'NO WUT IM SAYIN
Speaking of those types, I flew with an LCP recently at our shop. We were United in everything we did, except for the APU.
First leg, we landed, cleared the runway, and I started the APU. He reached up, turned it off and said he wanted to save fuel. Umm, ok? A couple legs later, after landing in DEN, I waited and asked him if it was okay to start the APU as we were approaching the ramp. He said no and then told me roughly 10 seconds later that I could start the APU.
His goal was to time it so we pulled in the gate right as the two minute warm up was finished. It was 97 degrees and he was more worried about burning 100lbs of gas than paasenger comfort.
Pretty sure I had a line check with that guy. Very nice and personable but that was his one “thing?” That was his one critique he had for me. I tried to explain I’d be happy to delay it but often the captains get pretty antsy - I’m just a chameleon over here and all that - but yeah.
milleR
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Sounds like the kind of situation where Ed would step in and start laying out priorities. I don't want to trigger CC, but, optics and all that stuff
Baronman
Well-Known Member
Moronic move on his part.
Avalon781ML
Well-Known Member
But you are normal… so… and apparently have been flying with the non conspiratorial pilots of our group. Just wait until you run into someone asking you how to combat the Lizard people while on the road. We got some crazies.
Gotta be that fleet.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
Maybe I’m getting too old, but the lizard people get the hand. As do the people who try to convey overly complex relationship issues, share pictures of questionable taste, try to convince me to mortgage my house to invest in Iraqi dinars/concert venues/diabeetus supply distribution/other (circle all that apply) or attempt to proselytize towards any topic in particular more complex than how you take your hash browns at Waffle House.
Avalon781ML
Well-Known Member
Maybe so… if it is I better be careful… might end up with a 2nd family in the PI and a bunker outside of Austin to escape when the Hollyweirdos come out to eat everyone.
Lol. You are making my displacement bid easier. I haven't heard that crap since I left the 747.
Boots2Wings
Just happy to be here.
Yea, saw it initially in my Whatsapp group here….relieved to find out it wasnt us. 100% expected it to be.
Not sure how it happened, no APU Bleed = hell no in LAS this time of year.
Skåning
Well-Known Member
Wear a DEI lanyard. Problem solved
This was a good learning experience.
Those jets are causing the heat. The poor people baking on the jets are paying for the airlines to deploy the jets to create more heat. The rich people who run the airlines don't care about the heat ...or the passengers. They just want the money.
I think every passenger should have to go through this important learning experience.
View: https://youtu.be/qkAVh9s0ZDk?t=222
Those jets are causing the heat. The poor people baking on the jets are paying for the airlines to deploy the jets to create more heat. The rich people who run the airlines don't care about the heat ...or the passengers. They just want the money.
I think every passenger should have to go through this important learning experience.
View: https://youtu.be/qkAVh9s0ZDk?t=222
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
We have a cultural issue with firing APUs up at Eskimo. At VX we fired it up whenever we needed it and never had an issue in the back unless there was a deferred APU. On the 737 side it is much different, and on DHs I often find myself in the back, sweating. I will very easily and without issue, fire the APU up as soon as I walk on to an airplane if I feel it is too warm.
Letting it get to that point is not only unacceptable, I find it actionable. It is careless and reckless to operate a commercial airliner like that.
Letting it get to that point is not only unacceptable, I find it actionable. It is careless and reckless to operate a commercial airliner like that.
KLB
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Airlines have to be honest with themselves also. Most of those ground air machines are crap. Plus I'd imagime laying that tube on the hot surface of the ramp degrades the cool air by quite a bit. Those machines are just not effective in this current heat. I know management is looking at it from a business and cost point of view more than a humanitarian point of view though.