Wyopoke79
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Who's at Fault? It's foggy...but she's stubborn.... What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BvgSS6kBdU&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BvgSS6kBdU&NR=1
why'd you delete the link, I'd be interested in hearing some others perspectives
Who's at Fault? It's foggy...but she's stubborn.... What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BvgSS6kBdU&NR=1
After I watched it I took a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cofPH1y9vuw&feature=related which has a little more audio from the incident. But to answer your question I think they were both at fault, the pilots made the initial error and afterward once they realized what they'd done and told the controller their position, she (the controller) seemed to have blown them off as "not knowing where they were" and continued operations rather than admitting she didn't know where the hell they were and figure the situation out. My .02
Like I said, there is more to the story. The CA (male) of the UA was never lost. He was trying to show up the FO (female). He didn't think she had a right to be in the cockpit. She also did have her -9 page out.
Who's at Fault? It's foggy...but she's stubborn.... What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BvgSS6kBdU&NR=1
I listened to your link and one that came up after this link. In my opinion 1448 got lost admitted so, the controller cleared a plane over there heads without ensuring that the runway was clear when the united craft stopped just over the runway. The only smart people were the crew of the plane that was second in line to take off. United was unsure of the position and reported that they were on 26R confusing the controller. The controller than wouldn't listen to the crew once they figured out where they were. She thought they were still lost. I digressed a bit, the fault is with the united crew, however ATC was acting superior and refussing to listen to where the crew was and understanding where they were on the airport. The diagram showed that Kilo only ran right there by 23L and parallel to 16. So for the controller to not recognize that the plane was at 23L and not 23 R she is at fault for trying clearing the other plane to take off. So they both screwed up and luckily no one ran into each other.
Like I said, the CA of the UA was never lost. He was playing dumb to make his FO look bad, but once the controller tried to kill him he let if be known fast where he was. The controller was new and this was her 1st time working on her own in bad weather. The guys in the USair jet did save lives but at the end they f-up the read back.
I disagree. If the captain knew where he was, then he would not have allowed an incursion onto the active runway. (I believe a portion of the aircraft was beyond the hold short bars) A captain should not knowingly allow his aircraft to be anywhere not instructed.
With the CA of the UA flight?
In his post report he stated he was what I said.
The cockpit is not the place to be dicking around trying to prove someone a point by allowing a situation to get this out of hand.