It can.Today a very high time pilot told me a round trip of over 50 nm from Aprt A and back to Aprt A without a landing anywhere else can be logged as cross country.
Flight from Point A to Point A without a Point B = No Cross Country.
Take off out of New York, fly around the world nonstop and land back in New York again = No Cross Country.
(iii) For an instrument -- airplane rating, instrument training on cross- country flight procedures specific to airplanes that includes at least one cross-country flight in an airplane that is performed under IFR, and consists of --
(A) A distance of at least 250 nautical miles along airways or ATC-directed routing;
(B) An instrument approach at each airport; and
(C) Three different kinds of approaches with the use of navigation systems
Correct me if I'm wrong but according to the part 61 requirements for the IFR ticket you don't need to actually touch the other runway, just shoot the approach...
The IR cross-country can be completed without actually landing at the intermediate airports
I think you're mixing the requirements of cross-country flight used for purposes of attaining a rating, and a specific aeronautical experience required for the IR. The IR cross-country can be completed without actually landing at the intermediate airports (it's not listed as a requirement, only the instrument approaches are), but if you didn't land at the end of the approach it would not count towards the 50 hrs of "cross-country flight time" as PIC required for the IR.
Section 61.1: Applicability and definitions.
(3) Cross-country time means—
(i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(3)(ii) through (b)(3)(vi) of this section, time acquired during flight—
(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;
(B) Conducted in an aircraft;
(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and
(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
(ii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements (except for a rotorcraft category rating), for a private pilot certificate (except for a powered parachute category rating), a commercial pilot certificate, or an instrument rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges (except in a rotorcraft) under §61.101 (c), time acquired during a flight—
(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
(vi) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating), time acquired during a flight--
(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.
No he didn't. The question was regarding a qualifying cross country for the instrument rating, not for an ATP certificate.You left this part out:
Please elaborate. I don't see how such a flight can be logged as X/C.Richard,
If I was doing air tours in AZ then I would be logging every flight as cross country regardless if I only made landings in Page.
Ok, I guess I should have been more specific as to the nature of the flight...Part 91 tours out and back to originating aprt with no intermediate landings.It can.
The three 61.1 definitions of "cross country" are based on what you are using it for. How we log it is mostly a bookkeeping convenience geared to our expected use.
Those are not cross countries under any FAA definition (within 25 miles, right?). From an FAA logbook standard, they are just local flights.Ok, I guess I should have been more specific as to the nature of the flight...Part 91 tours out and back to originating aprt with no intermediate landings.
Today a very high time pilot told me.....