U.S. Airline Industry Headed Toward 'Catastrophe'

Woah. 90 and 77 on the STANDBY list? Did a flight (or 3) cancel?



Try EWR-IAH or the opposite - Hub to hub on CAL sucks. 50 non revs every flight. Crappiest commute ever. Used to be a 767 on the route, took it off in March. Used to be two 757 flights a day (awesome due to 2 jumpseats), they are taking them off. Now its all 737's, and this commute officially blows the big one. Getting bumped is a regular occurence now.
 
As long as the marketing guys keep selling the "there's an airline pilot shortage right around the corner" gimmick.....it won't.
You'll also see a lot more foreign students where there IS a pilot shortage. Maybe the same amount as exists now but comparatively will be more since less US students.
 
Try EWR-IAH or the opposite - Hub to hub on CAL sucks. 50 non revs every flight. Crappiest commute ever. Used to be a 767 on the route, took it off in March. Used to be two 757 flights a day (awesome due to 2 jumpseats), they are taking them off. Now its all 737's, and this commute officially blows the big one. Getting bumped is a regular occurence now.

I think hub to hub on just about anyone sucks. I dread the possibility that I might get displaced to DTW and have to commute from MEM. 9 times out of 10 it's booked high as it is, then you're competing with all the must rides that are DH up there on company business. It's almost a guaranteed loss of a day off so you can commute up the day before.
 
I think hub to hub on just about anyone sucks. I dread the possibility that I might get displaced to DTW and have to commute from MEM. 9 times out of 10 it's booked high as it is, then you're competing with all the must rides that are DH up there on company business. It's almost a guaranteed loss of a day off so you can commute up the day before.


True that - Hub to Hub blows. Dare I say I enjoy my stand up overnight line this month? If I have a 7pm show in EWR, I can get to IAH at 5am and maybe just maybe get a direct flight, or at least connect through DCA. That's the only way I can commute on the same day. 4 days off shrinks to 2 days off if not.
 
True that - Hub to Hub blows. Dare I say I enjoy my stand up overnight line this month? If I have a 7pm show in EWR, I can get to IAH at 5am and maybe just maybe get a direct flight, or at least connect through DCA. That's the only way I can commute on the same day. 4 days off shrinks to 2 days off if not.

Just put in my bid for a high speed line in MEM. Not sure if I'll get it, but I'd prefer it to sitting reserve. At least I'd know my schedule, and the high speeds here are normally around 9 hours on the ground. That might as well be a normal rest overnight!
 
I'm on the 900 no I'm not I'm on the 900 no I'm not. This company makes me feel like I'm doing some paper tearing exercise to find out what I say when I finally tear off the final piece. No Bid for July, class 14-16, and no idea when sims are. Since they're putting us through it anyways, I wonder what happens if we actually don't have Delta anymore.... thanks for the early recurrent with differences!! woohoo :)
 
I'm on the 900 no I'm not I'm on the 900 no I'm not. This company makes me feel like I'm doing some paper tearing exercise to find out what I say when I finally tear off the final piece. No Bid for July, class 14-16, and no idea when sims are. Since they're putting us through it anyways, I wonder what happens if we actually don't have Delta anymore.... thanks for the early recurrent with differences!! woohoo :)

Hold on. They're still sending you to differences? That's either a boneheaded financial move or they're not telling us something.
 
They hate the airlines already. So who cares what they think?

People hate gas companies, too, but they buy gas BECAUSE THEY NEED TO.

They aren't flying for the experience, or if they are, they are certifiable and shouldn't be flying because they're not mentally sane and should be in a straitjacket!

So charge them what you need to in order to make money, and tell them to take greyhound if they don't like it.

And tell them greyhound will charge more anyway.

Yes, I know what they say. The customer is always right. Bullcrap. The customer is very often wrong, and companies should not be afraid to tell them this if it is factually accurate.

Second, the other thing they'll say is they'll just flock to another airline. Oh yeah? And what empty seats will they find with airlines cutting capacity and load factors already in the 80s?

This is not directed at Tony, his was just the last post to have the sentiment that the airlines should just raise their fares.

The problem with this argument is that it assumes that air travel is not elastic. The fact is, it is HIGHLY elastic, and, except for a (much smaller than people realize) segment of the business community, and an even smaller segment of others, if the fares were made too high, a lot of people just wouldn't fly, period. Some would drive, but a lot more would just not go anywhere, or anywhere far, for their vacation time. More companies would do things via video conference, etc., and overall demand would go down. The changes could end up being semi-permanent if it went on for any significant period of time.

THAT is the reason they are so concerned with raising fares. No doubt that the low fare competition plays are roll also, but that's easy to work around by selling your last few empty seats at very good rates (adding to the margin with no increase in fixed costs, and just a relatively small increase in variable costs due to higher fuel use).

The yield software pushes the envelope, and they raise the fares as much as possible and offer only a few seats at those cheaper fares, but, as a consequence of the sophistication of the yield software, they know EXACTLY when the demand is falling off due to higher fares. Even though those flights are fairly full, the YIELD is down. You charge more than the competition and the net result is that you fill your airplane with more lower yield passengers, if you want to capture the margin (and no airline can afford NOT to capture the margin, because an empty seat is lost forever, ANY revenue generated from it is a good thing).
 
The software doesn't push the envelope, it breaks it. $5 billion in what money they deign to pay us given BACK to the guys who "require" a pay freeze for "solvency". That was last time. What do you think it will be this time?
 
The software doesn't push the envelope, it breaks it. $5 billion in what money they deign to pay us given BACK to the guys who "require" a pay freeze for "solvency". That was last time. What do you think it will be this time?

The yield software has nothing to do with employee pay.
 
Good point. It also has nothing to do with the fares that are being charged now. You tout the efficiency of the system, but it loses money. Quarter after year after decade. The goal is not to make the most efficient use of software and commercial forecasting solutions, it's to make a profit. By that metric every airline is and has been for decades a dismal, ludicrous failure. They're in business because the taxpayers bail them out. I say let em die. The market will adjust.
 
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