Comm Multi at 167 hrs TT?

surreal1221

surreal1221

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Background of my question is simple.

A gentlemen in my basic indoc class went to flight safety, was selected for an internship at my new company, and is now in class.

Talking with him today he told me he got his commercial multi at 167hrs TT.

I took a double take and then said, well. . .how? He said Part 141. I said, well, I've been teaching in a 141 environment for the past 6 months and the Commercial 141 requirement is 190 hours (35+35+120) total time.

He never provided any further guidance as to how he completed his Comm multi at 167 hours. . .so, if any of you FSA guys wouldn't mind explaining it to me that'd be great. . .or is he just blowing smoke up my ass and he doesn't have a clue about what he is talking about?

You guys running some 165hr Commercial course down there? :)
 
Frasca time not counted in his TT?

I thought you could put like 40 hrs of Sim time towards your TT.

Maybe im confused though.

Ask him if it was flight time AND sim time.

Who is it btw?
 
It all depends on how their 141 is structured. Way back when, I left Erby Diddle with 188TT, with everything except my CFI's (I was smart back then and just knew that instructing was a waste of time:banghead:). That was COMM, ASMEL-I. Now, after 600 dual given, and a bunch more TT, I have realized for a while how stupid that attitude is!!
 
I had my CMEL at 160 hours.
As long as your sillybus is approved you can have lower hour requirements.
 
I haven't taught a 141 student in a while, but I'm pretty sure our 141 comm/multi/ins course minimum time is 155...
 
mikecweb said:
I had my CMEL at 160 hours.
As long as your sillybus is approved you can have lower hour requirements.
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So what licenses and ratings do you have? Are they the PPL, instru rating, & then the AMEL rating? I was told by someone that you don't necessarily need a CPL/ASEL rating/license. Is this true?


atp
 
atpwannabe said:
So what licenses and ratings do you have? Are they the PPL, instru rating, & then the AMEL rating? I was told by someone that you don't necessarily need a CPL/ASEL rating/license. Is this true?


atp
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Yes, it is true...if you just go straight to the airlines, and don't want any time building jobs...banner towing/aerial survey/CFI/meat missiles, etc. All require the COMM, SEL.
 
atpwannabe said:
So what licenses and ratings do you have? Are they the PPL, instru rating, & then the AMEL rating? I was told by someone that you don't necessarily need a CPL/ASEL rating/license. Is this true?


atp
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I went Private SEL, Instrument, Commercial SEL, Commercial MEL, CFI, CFII, MEI.
 
This thread got me curious, so I went and checked my logbook. I passed the commercial ride with 170 hours at MTSU.
 
Just adding here, as long as the syllabus is 'approved'!

I had Commercial SEL at 284 TT then again I was Part 61! :crazy:
 
Yeah I left FSA with less than 230hrs TT and that was with my Commercial single and multi instrument, CFI and CFII. And no frasca doesn't count towards total time, you can only count 100hrs of lvl C or D sim and that's only for meeting the 1500hr ATP requirment. Most people don't count any kind of sim time towards their total time. You can simply add your sim time to your TT later if you need it, ie some insurance companies DO count sim time towards total time.
 
Chief Captain said:
I should save SOME money right? I mean that's 100hr less tha part 61.
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Highly debatable. Do the math in all situations.

Because I have VA/GI Bill benefits, I considered a few 141 programs in various locations.

I figured this out:

Because 141 requires a set syllabus with specific events, you have to tally that up. That includes fixed times for ground, etc. Even with 60% reimbursement for the GI Bill, the 40% out of pocket I'd pay at the end was STILL more than 100% of a total Part 61 program in a few places.

It's all how the numbers come together, even with reduced flight times. In the end, you may pay less at the end, but if you come up with say, 60 less flight hours.. have you really saved the equivalent?

Flight schools are almost as slick as airline CEOs. Count every dime, and always read the fine print.
 
Crockrocket94 said:
Frasca time not counted in his TT?

I thought you could put like 40 hrs of Sim time towards your TT.

Maybe im confused though.

Ask him if it was flight time AND sim time.

Who is it btw?
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Actually 50 but not really towards your TT, but for your aeronautical experience requirements, yes.

61.129...... (i)......
i) Credit a maximum of 50 hours toward the total aeronautical experience requirements for an airplane or powered-lift rating, provided the aeronautical experience was obtained from an authorized instructor in a flight simulator or flight training device that represents that class of airplane or powered-lift category and type, if applicable, appropriate to the rating sought; and
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JEP said:
Actually 50 but not really towards your TT, but for your aeronautical experience requirements, yes.

61.129...... (i)......
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I had another CFI at my school tell a student to log FTD time as "total time" and I heard him, turned to look at the two -- the student was sitting down at a table with a pen poised over his log book and I went kind of like: "NoooooooOOOooooo!!!" and leapt at them, knocking the pen out of his hand just in time. It was pretty cool. Kind of like a scene in a movie where someone knocks a bomb out of a friends hand and throws it out the window.
 
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