SKYW Pay package results

flyguy said:
Yeah, but its a union company with a union contract that is OWNED by SkyWest.
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I don't care who owns them. All airlines are owned by scumbag holdings corporations. That's not relevant. What's relevant to pilots is whether the airline itself is unionized. ASA is, Skywest is not. Pretty simple.

People, please look at the overall package here. SkyWest's work rules beat out most other's union or otherwise, and they treat their employees very well. Why is that so bad?
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The only reason that you have competitive pay and work rules is because Skywest placates you with them to keep a union off the property. That gives them the ability to terminate and otherwise discipline people at will (remember, fu-- Fizer?), and they always know that they can change your conditions on a whim with no resistance. So they're willing to give you what ASA and other union carriers have just to keep the union away. Without the union threat hanging over their heads, your mormon overlords would be beating you into submission with poverty rates and no work rules. In other words, you're benefiting from the work the union does without contributing anything to it. You're leaching off of the hard work and money of unionized pilots.
 
bahaha

Mormon overlords.

Praise Joseph Smith!!!11 :sarcasm:

But yes. . .SKW continues to benefit from the skills of union member(s) and their negotiating committees.

PCL_128, check PM.
 
PCL_128 said:
I don't care who owns them. All airlines are owned by scumbag holdings corporations. That's not relevant. What's relevant to pilots is whether the airline itself is unionized. ASA is, Skywest is not. Pretty simple.
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Fine. You win. You drink Budweiser, and I'll drink Kool Aid.
 
Well, you're on par with Mesa for your -900 rates at least. Too bad Horizon is whoopin' your butt.

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777forever said:
The workrules at SKW has its pilots making more than pilots at the above two companies...
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That depends on the pilot. A pilot that doesn't fly very much and makes little over guarantee does much better at Horizon. A pilot that flies more and takes more advantage of the various work rules will do about even, maybe with a tiny advantage, at Skywest. Never the less, the Skywest pilots only have those work rules and payrates because union pilots worked hard to achieve them.
 
PCL_128 said:
That depends on the pilot. A pilot that doesn't fly very much and makes little over guarantee does much better at Horizon. A pilot that flies more and takes more advantage of the various work rules will do about even, maybe with a tiny advantage, at Skywest. Never the less, the Skywest pilots only have those work rules and payrates because union pilots worked hard to achieve them.
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Totally agree, although I think Horizon is more of a career regional than the rest.
 
jtrain609 said:
HA! I'll bet dollars to donuts that Horizon guys are making WAY more bank than Skywest pilots.
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The E & FA data doesn't support that. They're actually very close. The IBT was great at securing payrates, but not so much for work rules that enhance soft time. That's part of the problem with IBT representation for pilots. They just don't understand pilot work rules well enough to game the system.
 
Yeah? I'd love to see that data sometime, 'cause man their pay rates kick the living crap out of every body elses and nobody seems to leave there.

There has got to be a better reason than Portland is an awesome city.
 
jtrain609 said:
Yeah? I'd love to see that data sometime, 'cause man their pay rates kick the living crap out of every body elses and nobody seems to leave there.
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Again, it's a great company, and you can make a ton of money, just not much more than the pilots at other carriers that make up for the lower rates with fancy soft time rules. You should ask some of the senior Captains at your airline that game the system to see how much they make. You'd be amazed at how much money you can turn a $90/hr payrate into with the right work rules. I make almost as much money at AirTran with a $43/hr rate that I did at Pinnacle with a $62/hr rate. It's all about the soft time.
 
naw man it's about the FO's here. You can turn $35 an hour until $60,000 a year here.

If you bid check airman lines, they'll get bought off you.

Then you pick up open time when it's red flagged and you're paid 150% for all that flying.

So that's....80 hours of flying in your regular line that gets bought off, then another 80 hours that you pickup, but it's paid as 120 hours so you end up with 200 hours of credit?

That's just in the summer when we're not staffed properly, though. Normally open time only pays 100% pay.
 
That's a perfect example. The IBT didn't secure those kinds of work rules for the Horizon pilots. They got the great pay rates, but not the great work rules. Not that their work rules are bad, just not above average like the ExpressJet work rules. I was talking to your MEC Sec-Treasurer last week and he was telling me how so many pilots are leaving there for legacies and majors and calling him to explain how much the work rules suck compared to what they were used to at ExpressJet. Apparently Delta is the only airline that has the work rules that compare to ExpressJet. That's a pretty amazing accomplishment, and that's why ALPA's E & FA department has determined that ExpressJet has the highest paid regional pilots in the industry.
 
Soft time is exactly right.

Add a turn to the trip to make it 28:59 when you see a cold front coming towards EWR at the last day of the trip...sit in the ballpark and 30/7 it off completely pay protected and the time off comes back but with pay.

Seven days of vacation with the first and last day touching the first and last days of four-day trips...magically becomes a 16-20 day vacation!

Pickup a trip with a report time just barely over 11 hours after the previous trip's release time, so you don't waive domicile rest, with a weather system approaching the hub the night that trip ends...the list goes on.
 
You should hear some of the crap that Continental guys have to deal with here on reserve in Newark. I really hope they can improve that contract here soon.
 
PCL_128 said:
...he was telling me how so many pilots are leaving there for legacies and majors and calling him to explain how much the work rules suck compared to what they were used to at ExpressJet.
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I just talked to a friend from United yesterday, and he expressed the same opinion. He actually missed ExpressJet, and work rules is one of the biggest reasons why. I was amazed to hear that. I'm sure over time things will improve at most of the legacies. I know Continental pilots continue to say that they are looking to match some of our work rules in their negotiations.

We are very lucky. I just hope things stay this way.
 
jtrain609 said:
You should hear some of the crap that Continental guys have to deal with here on reserve in Newark. I really hope they can improve that contract here soon.
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The CAL guys seem to have it the worst. That's why upgrade slots are going so junior. Nobody wants to sit reserve at that company. Reserve should be something that people actually bid for to get time at home, but apparently only the 777 guys can count on that. Pretty sad.
 
One of the most important things I learned from Doug is not to look at the payrates and go "Geez, looky dat!" Its all about workrules. A quick glance at MESA's rates you would think its a decent company. But I feel sorry for those Freedom guys in ATL when there's a ground stop or long line for take off. They're wasting time and we're stacking paper. That's why we call it the MoneyLine baby!:nana2: I'll take superb workrules over rates anyday. At the end of the year its about whats on your W2, not the rate. I know one thing for sure, someone at SKW the last 5 years has more than likely made WAY more than someone at Horizon.
 
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