ASA's new minimums, and something interesting...

Seggy said:
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A darn good post.



...and I am going to say it and everyone can kiss my hairy A$$ I am in a ticked off mood. (if you go the civilian way) CFI'ING IS the best way to build time along with flying freight once you get some more hours.
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What's wrong, Mark? Do we need to talk? It's o.k. the Giants season will be done Sunday evening..... :D
 
Seggy said:
The thing is at the airline/corporate level of flying it has very little to do with the stick and rudder skills of the flight.

It has to deal with the managing skills of the flight.
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Ding Ding Ding...We have a winner..

Aloft, seriously if you think it's about stick and rudder skills...it's not. It's about setting up a flight, managing lot's of data, regulatory info, systems info (I think you call this knowledge dept?) etc.

Flying a localizer with the mains on either side of the beam is something we do for what, 3-4 minutes a flight at most? It's really not what we're doing 99% of the time. Furthermore, good decision making will get you much further in this career than killer stick and rudder skills.
 
aloft said:
A great point, but with 40 years of life experience behind me, I'm pretty sure I've got that base covered.

I'll grant that CFIs come out on top in the knowledge dept since they're constantly reinforcing it by teaching, but I'll put my stick-and-rudder skills up against a CFI with comparable hours any day.

And believe me, there's no shortage of opportunities to deal with different personalities here...ain't that right, Ryan? lol
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I would very much challenge you to that any day, and not being arrogant about it.

To say that a CFI has inferior skills to a non-CFI is ignorant at best. I jump on this because sooooo many people rip on CFIing as being bad for your stick-and-rudder skills. If you think all we do is sit around, then think again. ;) You better know how to fly well if you're going to critique your student's landings, approaches, maneuvers, etc. It's hard to criticize your student when you can't do it yourself as an instructor. Then again, some just wouldn't care about that. ;)
 
Nah, not a fan club by any means.

So, Team CFI, Team OOTSK (who'd of course beat all of us), Team Everybody else (student pilots, recretional types), Team 121?
 
And we get in these flame wars and spend all this money for what? An 18K a year job with no certainty? :) Maybe Ill get my CFI, would rather be in the same place, with a better schedule, at home, and making more money, and being more knowledgeable..
 
How many people actually made 18-20k their first yr? I doubt many did. And pay goes up substantially the next couple years, especially at the better regionals. One XJT captain on here made 9k one month. Even with all the whining, the job of a regional pilot is one of the better paying jobs in America, especially without a college degree.
 
No doubt, but if you want to survive in this industry and be at one of the best carriers, you better be more competative than to say, "Well it pays ENOUGH."

It'll never pay enough, you'll never have enough days off and the work rules will never be good enough. If you have any other attitude, in my opinion, you'll just settle.
 
777forever said:
Even with all the whining, the job of a regional pilot is one of the better paying jobs in America, especially without a college degree.
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Regional pilots are taking the mainline jobs. We are doing it for 25% pay.

DC-9, 737-200 FOs on second year pay a few years ago were making six figures.
 
I wish I'd just gone Jet U. Then I could have been a lot farther ahead than I am now.

All I do is short flights, multiple airplane changes during the day, and long airport sits. My schedule sucks, and the pay stinks. If I'd just gone Jet U and skipped the CFI and freight crap, I'd be a Captain now. Making more money, and probably have a lot more seniority.

Life sucks.



















































:D
 
mtsu_av8er said:
I wish I'd just gone Jet U. Then I could have been a lot farther ahead than I am now.

All I do is short flights, multiple airplane changes during the day, and long airport sits. My schedule sucks, and the pay stinks. If I'd just gone Jet U and skipped the CFI and freight crap, I'd be a Captain now. Making more money, and probably have a lot more seniority.

Life sucks.



















































:D
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Well.............there IS some truth to what you said. (that's the sad part!) lol....the best part would be you'd have a chance to be in their commercials wearing epaulets. :D
 
Seggy said:
Regional pilots are taking the mainline jobs. We are doing it for 25% pay.

DC-9, 737-200 FOs on second year pay a few years ago were making six figures.
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True, but there's a heck of a whole lot more jobs now then there was back then. If it was back in the old days most of us would still be CFIing or flying freight for less than 20k anyway. Back in the old days CFIs got what 7-10 bucks an hr? Isn't mainline creating more jobs now with all the international expansion?
 
777forever said:
True, but there's a heck of a whole lot more jobs now then there was back then. If it was back in the old days most of us would still be CFIing or flying freight for less than 20k anyway. Back in the old days CFIs got what 7-10 bucks an hr? Isn't mainline creating more jobs now with all the international expansion?
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I just can't let that one go.
Hey Lloyd how much were you making flying that 210 and Baron?
 
Hey I'll chime in! I took a pretty serious pay cut going from Amflight to Express, on the order of about $15,000 a year.
 
777forever said:
True, but there's a heck of a whole lot more jobs now then there was back then. If it was back in the old days most of us would still be CFIing or flying freight for less than 20k anyway. Back in the old days CFIs got what 7-10 bucks an hr? Isn't mainline creating more jobs now with all the international expansion?
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Are there more jobs? That is debatable. Probably more low paying entry level jobs. There really is no shortage.

We should work to change this industry. When hired on at a regional, you get a mainline seniority number. That is something we should strive for.
 
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