ASA's new minimums, and something interesting...

jtrain609 said:
Hey I'll chime in! I took a pretty serious pay cut going from Amflight to Express, on the order of about $15,000 a year.
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But didn't a lot of people say the pay was because the cost of living out there. Just look now you live in a low cost of living part of the US.






Do I need the tag.
 
mikecweb said:
I just can't let that one go.
Hey Lloyd how much were you making flying that 210 and Baron?
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Yo Mike Im talking back in the old old old days like late 80s early 90s compared to now. Even flight instructors make the big bucks nowadays. Was trying to diss your clique
 
Seggy said:
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A darn good post.



...and I am going to say it and everyone can kiss my hairy A$$ I am in a ticked off mood. (if you go the civilian way) CFI'ING IS the best way to build time along with flying freight once you get some more hours.
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Ever since I got my CFII, my instrument skills have greatly improved by watching.
 
jtrain609 said:
Hey I'll chime in! I took a pretty serious pay cut going from Amflight to Express, on the order of about $15,000 a year.
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When you start making 2nd yr pay? It'll immediately be a raise with the bank some FOs over derr pull in.
 
When I start second year pay I'll CATCH UP to what I was making.

If I had stayed at Amflight, I'd be in the Beech 99 right now, logging turbine PIC time and in a few months I'd be in the Metroliner. I made some decisions about what was more important to me in life, though, and part of that involves about 5'0" worth of cute that I'm getting married to in September.

Money ain't everything, and neither is career advancement. I realized at one point I was going to have Southwest mins by the time I was 26 and a half, but I also realized I was going to hate flying if I progressed that fast.
 
Instructing is my job, but I fly banners for fun!

I can see both sides of the argument. I'm in no doubt that bannertowing improved my stick and rudder skills far more than being a CFI. But I can also see the flight management aspect of instructing would be more use to the airlines.

Which is why I have no interest in going to the airlines!
 
esa17 said:
My take on the CFI'ing thing is this:

Sure other types of flying take a great deal of proficiency but one thing that localizer won't do is try and bully you into making a bad decision or try and challenge your authority. Dealing with the different personalities we run into as CFI's is something you won't get letting people know which strip club has the best lunch buffet on Tuesdays. The ability to deal with conflicts and different personalities is probably what they're looking for.


I'm finishing my application tonight!
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Lunch buffet at the strip club!!! Now your talkin my language!! LOL what's all this jet U talk I'm hearing on these forums? Who and what are they?
 
777forever said:
When you start making 2nd yr pay? It'll immediately be a raise with the bank some FOs over derr pull in.
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I thought the XJT FO I met at an airport two weeks ago we were both jumpseating on an AA flight out of was full of crap when he told me he made $63,000 in 2007 before taxes but he was not joking.
 
jtrain609 said:
It'll never pay enough, you'll never have enough days off and the work rules will never be good enough. If you have any other attitude, in my opinion, you'll just settle.
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John, I love you like a brother. However, that's one of the most obnoxious things I've ever heard with regards to the issue.

Of course, it's your opinion, and you're entitled to sound as obnoxious as you like.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
John, I love you like a brother. However, that's one of the most obnoxious things I've ever heard with regards to the issue.
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Come on, he's said a lot more obnoxious things than that. ;) I actually agree with him on this one. We need to always be striving for better. The fact is, we'd have to triple UPS and FedEx payrates just to get back to inflation-adjusted rates from 30 years ago. We've fallen a long way, and we need to keep striving for improvements constantly. If we settle, then management has beaten us.
 
My boy PCL here summed it up extremely well.

What I'm saying is that if we're not moving forward, management is pushing us back. And why shouldn't they? It's their job to minimize their cost structure and we are a part of that equation so to offset their natural position we need to be fighting for as high of a pay rate as we can possibly get, because we can see from a historical perspective that said pay rate will go out the window during tough economic times. Or in other words, make as much money as you possibly can when you can. In a true capitalistic system, with the rules that we have in this industry, either we should be getting more or we should be getting less, but our pay rates *should* be fluid all the time.

Now Lloyd I don't know about you, but I like gadgets, and settling for less money buys less gadgets. That, to me, is all I need to think about when I say that, and it gives me reason to work for an even better contract in 2010! :)
 
PCL_128 said:
Come on, he's said a lot more obnoxious things than that. ;) I actually agree with him on this one. We need to always be striving for better. The fact is, we'd have to triple UPS and FedEx payrates just to get back to inflation-adjusted rates from 30 years ago. We've fallen a long way, and we need to keep striving for improvements constantly. If we settle, then management has beaten us.
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Continue to Speakth the turth brosef.
 
jtrain609 said:
Now Lloyd I don't know about you, but I like gadgets, and settling for less money buys less gadgets. That, to me, is all I need to think about when I say that, and it gives me reason to work for an even better contract in 2010! :)
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John, I agree 100% with the spirit of what you're saying, but not with what you're saying. There's a huge difference.
 
Show me a thoroughly satisfied man and I will show you a failure.

- Thomas Edison



That does not mean go to work and be miserable all the time, which some people I fly with seem to do. They are pain to fly with.

However, I do also have the mindset that the current situation can be made better.
 
Really? I think every captain I've flown with has been completely upbeat about everything except for one or two who just didn't seem to care about anything and didn't say a word about anything...ever.
 
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