PGT
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I'm just saying going from 60-61-62, etc. is a lot more difficult than 32-33-34.
Congress passes age 65 legislation Dec 11th
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I'm just saying going from 60-61-62, etc. is a lot more difficult than 32-33-34.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
This is only good news for the people that are already at their career airline, in the left seat of their retirement aircraft, near the top of their bid list. Everyone else gets fu*&ed to varying degrees. In other words, this benefits about 5%-10% of the pilots in this industry. A horrible development for this profession.
Just one more reason why I miss Duane Woerth.
Just one more reason why I miss Duane Woerth.
Velocipede
New Member
I disagree. I'm no where near the top of my bid list.
I put in 11.5 years in the military to get an airline job. I wrenched for a couple years. I sat in the right seat for 7 years. Its all about paying dues. If you're paying dues at a Regional, so be it.
Your career is getting extended by 5 years, too.
Quit biatching.
MSUDAWG
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:yeahthat:
Im glad its going through. It will allow me to hopefully be my dad's FO one day and that alone is worth sitting right seat for a few more years. As for the fellas who had everything taken from them, this will be an extra 5 years for that "5-10%" to cushion what was taken from them and have back a little what they had planned on when they were in your shoes.....
And no im not at my career job sitting left seat...Im just a poor little freight dog flying boxes in a flying box at night....
Im glad its going through. It will allow me to hopefully be my dad's FO one day and that alone is worth sitting right seat for a few more years. As for the fellas who had everything taken from them, this will be an extra 5 years for that "5-10%" to cushion what was taken from them and have back a little what they had planned on when they were in your shoes.....
And no im not at my career job sitting left seat...Im just a poor little freight dog flying boxes in a flying box at night....
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
How many airlines left still have pension funds? Two? If the age 65 rule goes through, then next on the list for contract negotiations is to get the retirement section in the contract fixed to reflect that at those carriers. I'll agree it's a Band Aid fix to a bigger problem, but it's not the be-all-end all catastrophe that a lot of people make it out to be.
Dugie8
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It isn't the fact that ones career is being extended for five years, it isn't even the lame argument that 60 was age discrimination and 65 isn't. This only benefits those that are currently captains making captains pay. In theory those in the right seat basically loose out on about 5 years of top captain pay at their respective carriers. I realize there is some fudging there as not everyone will stay until 65 and this that and the other, but it is a point.
The thing that is really bugging me, is we all got into this knowing exactly what age we had to retire at (121) and we all signed on knowing full well that was the rule. If you didn't like the rule there are plenty of other flying options for you. There are still flying options for guys after 60, you would think that once a guy turns 60 the FAA swoops in and takes your certs away. This all driven, on both sides, by money. Call it greed if you want, I don't really see it as greed as much as doing what needs to be done to survive. The problem I have is the solution is only benefitting a certain percentage, it does not benefit all equally (a pipe dream I know). The raping of pensions and retirement plans, IMO, is one for the coursts to figure out HOWEVER poor financial planning on some parts is not an emergency on my part. Harsh words, yup, but to put all of your eggs into one basket like you hear so many sad stories about just isn't smart, granted almost all were lead to believe that the money was 100% safe.
When this age 65 passes, I hope to see just as many that were for it picketing to either lower or do away with all age requirements for all FAA pilot certificates.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Then you're getting screwed to a lesser degree than the FOs you're flying with, but you're still getting screwed because your progression up the seniority list has been slowed by several years.
No, it's not. I have no desire to "fly till I die."
Not likely. The geezers are trying to pull up the ladder after they've already climbed up. They've gotten their upgrade and become senior, so they don't care about everyone else. To be honest, this doesn't really affect me. My upgrade will be delayed by just a couple of months, because upgrades at my carrier are largely driven by growth, but the principal of it is sickening to me.
Velocipede
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Just the House, so far.
And to those who think their upgrade will be delayed, you're making the ASSUMPTION that everyone will stay til age 65.
That is an erroneous assumption. Just the medical retirements will offset every guy who elects to stay to 65.
And to those who think their upgrade will be delayed, you're making the ASSUMPTION that everyone will stay til age 65.
That is an erroneous assumption. Just the medical retirements will offset every guy who elects to stay to 65.
CaptBill
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Senate approves age 65 legislation Dec 12
Just one day after the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R.4343, a bill that would raise the mandatory retirement age for commercial airline pilots to 65, the U.S. Senate followed suit tonight when it approved the same piece of legislation by unanimous consent—meaning that no senator objected. “ALPA has worked very hard from the beginning of this process to make sure that the recommendations of the Executive Board—which were intended to protect our pilots—were included in any age change,” said ALPA President Capt. John Prater. “I am gratified to report to our members tonight that this legislation reflects the direction of the Board.”
The bill now goes to the U.S. President for his signature, which will make it law. The timing for this has yet to be determined.
Just one day after the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R.4343, a bill that would raise the mandatory retirement age for commercial airline pilots to 65, the U.S. Senate followed suit tonight when it approved the same piece of legislation by unanimous consent—meaning that no senator objected. “ALPA has worked very hard from the beginning of this process to make sure that the recommendations of the Executive Board—which were intended to protect our pilots—were included in any age change,” said ALPA President Capt. John Prater. “I am gratified to report to our members tonight that this legislation reflects the direction of the Board.”
The bill now goes to the U.S. President for his signature, which will make it law. The timing for this has yet to be determined.
Firebird2XC
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Re: Senate approves age 65 legislation Dec 12
Sheesh. That was fast.
Sheesh. That was fast.
ready2fly
Well-Known Member
Agreed.
Most of the guys I've flown with who are near 60, say they'll only fly until 62 at most. I've flown win one pilot who says he'd fly until 65, but that's it.
Even the jumpseaters who are senior captains at a legacy that I've had in the jump who are near age 60 have said that 62 is pretty much their cutoff....a couple have even said that they are done at 60 regardless.
All that said: Not much I can do but ride out this experience and see where I take it.
surreal1221
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Re: Senate approves age 65 legislation Dec 12
Is there anything about withdrawling our troops out of Iraq in this Bill? As at least that'd be one way for a veto. . .
slightly. . .
No really, anything in the bill text that this White House could use to veto it?
Not that a Veto would really matter, since both chambers would be able to beat it.
Is there anything about withdrawling our troops out of Iraq in this Bill? As at least that'd be one way for a veto. . .
slightly. . .No really, anything in the bill text that this White House could use to veto it?
Not that a Veto would really matter, since both chambers would be able to beat it.
Minnesota_Flyer
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Re: Senate approves age 65 legislation Dec 12
Not that fast. There are several senior Dems that have been trying to get this for at least 10 years.
Not that fast. There are several senior Dems that have been trying to get this for at least 10 years.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
Re: Senate approves age 65 legislation Dec 12
I just meant the time between the House and the Senate votes. I don't really follow that stuff too closely, but I was under the impression it usually took a while.
I just meant the time between the House and the Senate votes. I don't really follow that stuff too closely, but I was under the impression it usually took a while.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Re: Senate approves age 65 legislation Dec 12
I want to say I remember reading there was something about spending in the bill that Bush said he would veto. Doesn't really change anything. If he vetoes it, it'll get overriden down the road. Unanimous in both houses of Congress means they've got plenty of space to override a veto.
Is there anything about withdrawling our troops out of Iraq in this Bill? As at least that'd be one way for a veto. . .
No really, anything in the bill text that this White House could use to veto it?
Not that a Veto would really matter, since both chambers would be able to beat it.
I want to say I remember reading there was something about spending in the bill that Bush said he would veto. Doesn't really change anything. If he vetoes it, it'll get overriden down the road. Unanimous in both houses of Congress means they've got plenty of space to override a veto.
CaptBill
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What pilots tell you and what they actually do will likely be different. No pilot will ever tell you they voted for a substandard contract, yet they pass. Walking out on a 200k flying job when not forced to do so is more difficult than it sounds.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
I plan on it, but everyone that decides to retire at the original age of 60 from now on will have lost a ton of money because of it. The lost money from the delayed upgrade and the lost accrued interest on retirement savings will cost a 30-year old FO at a major about $250,000 over the length of his career if he still retires at 60. Like I said, the senior geezers are getting theirs, now they're pulling up the rope.
