Quasimoto Pilots

kellwolf said:
Zap, when was the US Airways survey done? If it was when you were hired at US Airways, then that was probably close to a decade or more ago. Public perception has changed a LOT since then. jetBlue didn't even exist and the LCC were just starting to scratch their way into the marketplace (with the exception of SWA). That changed a LOT of the way passengers think about flying. I don't think we can point to a report that old and say "This is what people think." Now, if someones got a more up to date marketing report, then I might re-think my position. Otherwise, we're all just spouting opinions at each other.
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Geez I feel old now. :( :drool:
 
jtrain609 said:
Phenomenology is a crock, and your statement is bunk. If you'd like a further explanation of why, shoot me a PM and I'll give you some texts you can read on the matter so you too can have the correct answer to the question, "If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there to hear it..."
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I'll shoot you a PM while addressing your point in the forum. I perhaps miscommunicated to the point you misunderstand, or you've already had a preconceived statement to my comment.

My statement is true - period. And no matter how much anyone (including you) attempts to argue the point be it pro or con, the perception stands.

More importantly, you'd be silly to argue the point either way, for you'll change very few individuals' minds regardless of your argument which further supports my position.

. . .but give it a shot; I do love the stimulation.

Lastly, I've no clue what the term 'phenomenology' is, so I can't speak to it. I don't believe I can even utilize it effectively in a sentence.

. . .oops, actually, I just did. Well, even so, I don't understand what I just said. Oops, well, actually I do. :D

Lastly, to answer your question:

If a tree falls down in the woods and no one is around to hear it- does it make a sound?
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Everything that vibrates the air creates the potential for sound, regardless of what conscious being is there to perceive it in the first place. If there is nothing to perceive it occurring, then it could not exist. Sound is a subjective interaction with matter. All sound is, is vibrations through a medium, without humans to perceive it, those vibrations that we call sound, when the tree fell, would make vibrations, but "sound" as we know it, couldn't exist, since no conscious being was there to interpret those vibrations.
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and in my best imitation of Forest Gump. . .that's all I have to say about that!
 
Your statement assumes that the world exists independent of humans, which is not verifiable.

How do you know the tree is there when you turn around? You know KNOW it's still there? Prove it without witnessing it.

You can't. It sounds crazy, but I'd like you to refute it.
 
jtrain609 said:
Your statement assumes that the world exists independent of humans, which is not verifiable.

How do you know the tree is there when you turn around? You know KNOW it's still there? Prove it without witnessing it.

You can't. It sounds crazy, but I'd like you to refute it.
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Don't have to do so, and I'll reinforce by saying whatever you say to contradict me, I'll not agree. :D See what I mean? Give me facts for days, but if it's my perception, you can't change it.

Additionally? I believe about 40 of the 144 posts confirm my perception.
 
Then you don't believe in truth, and the discussion is over. I believe things are true, or they are not. There is no inbetween. You're talking about relativism, which is a BS concept that isn't logically sound.
 
Velocipede said:
What all this boils down to is your Company's uniform regs. Some require a hat. Some don't. Some make it optional.

Some require a blouse (suit jacket), leather jacket or parka.

Some don't allow long sleeve shirts without some kind of jacket.

The bottom line is: Adhere to your company's regs. Keep your clothes looking sharp. Save the iPod for commuting or those 3 hour "practice" layover out of public sight. Strap your backpack to your roller bag.

Is that too much to ask?
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No . . .

I particularly liked the post that said if the boss wants it that way then do it that way.

I would add to that, that if you don't want to do it that way, then be your own boss.

My grandpa used to say, "If you can't respect the man you're working for . . . then don't work for him."
 
PCL_128]It is eerie said:
What all this boils down to is your Company's uniform regs. Some require a hat. Some don't. Some make it optional.

Some require a blouse (suit jacket), leather jacket or parka.

Some don't allow long sleeve shirts without some kind of jacket.

The bottom line is: Adhere to your company's regs. Keep your clothes looking sharp. Save the iPod for commuting or those 3 hour "practice" layover out of public sight. Strap your backpack to your roller bag.

Is that too much to ask?
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I can't disagree with this post at all. Well said Velo.
 
killbilly said:
Isn't it supposed to be spelled "Quasimodo?"

I keep seeing the subject and thinking "almost motorcycle" or "virtual motorcycle."
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This is what I keep thinking of
quasimodo.jpg
 
Standby. . .

JTrain and I are still playing tennis on PM! :D

OK, we're finished.

GAME!! SET!! MATCH!! Who won? Draw!! Naturally.

JTrain, you're not the one with the spiked hair look, are you? Just asking. . . no response required. :D
 
FlyChicaga said:
These are such silly debates. Some people think they need the hat and blazer to look like a professional pilot, while others think you can be professional without a hat and wearing a leather jacket. Fact is, most customers really don't care. What the customers do want is a crew who is pleasant, informative, and driven to providing outstanding customer service.

Personally, I love my leather jacket, and I cannot stand the hat. I think the hat can look professional, but I am glad it is optional because it looks absolutely ridiculous on me. I know that by taking care of my uniform and wearing it properly (starching my shirts, ironing, shining my shoes, etc.), I am doing my part in presenting a professional appearance for our customers. More importantly, I ensure that my actions while in my uniform are professional. That doesn't mean being a stiff, but rather being everything I mentioned above... Pleasant, friendly, informative, and driven to give the customers a safe trip.

I will continue to wear my leather jacket, and I will not be wearing the hat, unless my company choses to make it mandatory once again. I will continue to enjoy music listening to my iPod during my commute, and I will use gel each morning in my hair. I am professional airline pilot, and I try to act like it. However, I am also a 26 year old man, and I'm not going to try and act like I'm 50 simply because someone feels their opinion of what a pilot should look like does not match mine.

Some pilots spend way too much time trying to fit some cookie-cutter version of an airline pilot (usually the 1960's version), rather than putting real effort into what really matters: Serving our customers.

That is just my personal opinion, and you do not have to agree.
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I agree 100%
 
Velocipede said:
What all this boils down to is your Company's uniform regs.
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"The basic uniform will be one hat, one jacket, two pair of trousers, one belt, one raincoat, one pair of shoulder boards, jacket and shirt insignias, and hat emblems."

Badass, I don't need to wear a shirt! Clipping those wings to a bare chest is gonna hurt like hell though.
 
PCL_128 said:
That makes for a great corporate propaganda slogan, but it doesn't jive with reality. As far as the pax are concerned, their impression of you is based on what they see when you walk up to the gate at the beginning of their flight. They want to see a traditional looking air line Captain. They don't want to see some kid in a leather jacket and spiked hair. You're already at a disadvantage because of your age. When the pax see a 26 year old with gelled hair and a leather jacket, they question the maturity and experience of the Captain that will be responsible for their safety for the next couple of hours. If they see somebody walk up with a buttoned-up blazer, hat, conservative haircut, etc..., then they won't be thinking about your age, because you won't be looking like a kid. Sorry, but perception is reality, and most people aren't going to perceive you as being very professional. If I was sitting in the gate waiting on an ExpressJet flight and saw a Captain walk up with spiked hair and a leather jacket, I would be getting up and walking to my backup flight, even if it meant waiting another hour.
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Nothing personal (because I like most of what you say on JC), but with that attitude, I'd be happy to have you leave. I don't want you on my flight as much as you don't want to be there (not that I'm 26, have a leather jacket or spiked hair). So long, good riddance, and good luck with options #2 or 3! For all I know, you'd be in the back badmouthing the crew while you get a free lift home. ;)
 
FlyChicaga said:
To me, there is nothing comparable to going to work with a smile on my face and having fun, all while still doing your job the way it is supposed to be done.
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No disagreement there. I love my job (The one I have now, not Pinnacle. That job really sucked!), and I go to work with a smile on my face and have fun doing it. But I do it with the traditional pilot uniform, I try to make the passengers comfortable and safe (which means I don't taxi at vref-5 like SWA), and I don't listen to my iPod in the terminal. It's great that the guys at SWA love their jobs and are having fun, but they seem to take it to a fanatical level. If someone says the slightest thing negative about their airline, they act like you've attacked their religion. The JetBlue guys are even worse about it. It just rubs me the wrong way.
 
PCL, my Dad is about as senior as you can get at SWA and I can say that not everyone is drinking the kool aid. Right now everyone is pretty nervous about what's going to happen when Herb and Colleen leave.
 
greaper007 said:
PCL, my Dad is about as senior as you can get at SWA and I can say that not everyone is drinking the kool aid.
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Good to hear. I wish some of the more sane SWA pilots would post over on FI. It gets kind of annoying seeing the attack dogs pounce every time somebody says something less than stellar about the company.
 
PCL_128 said:
Good to hear. I wish some of the more sane SWA pilots would post over on FI. It gets kind of annoying seeing the attack dogs pounce every time somebody says something less than stellar about the company.
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I will be the first to admit that my company is not perfect, nor do I agree 100% with everything our management does. However, I love where I work, and I really enjoy working with most of my fellow employees. So when people badmouth ExpressJet, of course I'll jump to the defense of the company that provides my quality of life. I think that is a sign that you have a good employer. Nobody will ever agree with everything their management does (except management, they'll agree with everything management does ;)), but it is nice to feel like you are appreciated and respected. Luckily I've felt that way at each of the three professional pilot positions I've held thus far in my career. So I can see where the SWA (and JetBlue) pilots are coming from.

Not many companies make the hat optional, so when you work for one of these companies, you are quick to stand up and defend them. :D
 
FlyChicaga said:
So when people badmouth ExpressJet, of course I'll jump to the defense of the company that provides my quality of life.
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True, but I'm sure you would respond with facts and reason, not attacks. Take a look at any FI thread where someone says something even slightly negative about SWA. The response is quick and vicious:

"At least we haven't been in bankruptcy!"

"Your airline is pathetic!"

"You're just mad that you didn't get hired here!"

And so on, and so on. Like I said, you'd think you had attacked their very religion and reason for being. It's just fanatical. Nothing wrong with spirited debate with facts and logic, but fanatical attacks just seem over the top.
 
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