iphone user challenges flight crew over weather

My theory here:

Even if whatever transmitter device doesn't have an EMI (ElectroMagnetic Interference) issue with the airplane, there are safety issues at hand.

En route, obviously the perceived issue is EMI in terms of the airplane. Beyond that, the fact that a cell phone searching for a tower will have a hugely increased line of sight advantage will likely mean some sort of communication signal hogging. Imagine if ten or fifteen phones on every flight in the US started searching a hundred mile radius for a tower all at once. It's the FCC, not the FAA, at work in this part of it.

As for taxi, takeoff, and landing, it's a safety issue even in crystal clear VMC flying even if no radios or nav instruments are affected. Why? If something happens, who wants a cabin load of people holding a small, hard projectile that will go flying forward into the back of somebody's head? Not me.

Even if a sudden jolt isn't the issue, sometimes getting passengers just sitting there to pay attention is like herding cats.

When I was on the 1900, I spent alot of time trying to conduct briefings of passengers in the cabin, and waiting for them to put down those damn phones took up half the time of the total briefing.

That, as far as I see it, are the underlying concepts behind cell phone usage. The cockpit door closure rule is largely a rule of thumb- it's just an easily markable point where the cabin crew can site the cockpit crew shifting into a most sensitive regime of operation.
 
all it matters is that it is a company policy.... that should be good enough.

its the same thing as putting your trays up and putting your seat upright during landing and take off. you just do it :)
 
*whispering*

Hey....I've got a secret. Come closer....closer.........

...it's because it doesn't do anything. shhhhhhh don't let Uncle Sam know we're on to his secret. :D

cell phones seem to have a bad habit of making my headset go bzzzzzzzbzzzzzzzzzzzz bzzzz bz bz bz bz bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

So blocking out ATC/crewmembers because your celphone is screwing up my headset is something.
 
We were in EWR a few weeks ago and had just pushed back when we were told via ACARS that a new TAF was out and we now needed an alternate. Since we were on the ground, the CA picked up his cellphone to talk with dispatch about fuel and alternate routing. For the entire 5 mins he was on the phone, my headset buzzed so loud that I had to take it off and turn on the speaker. Take that for what it's worth.
 
Don't tase me bro. :panic:

I think the Captain took the correct action. Besides he/she could have always returned and deplaned the Knucklehead.
 
Jtrain why yes i am pilot. Thanks for your concern. i will be flying that pretty CRJ thingy in a month or two, if I can somehow learn to read before i get to indoc next monday. Maybe in 6 months, i can be as smart as you. or smart alecked.

Not questioning your ability to read, I AM questioning your knowledge on the subject matter that you're spouting off about.
 
Don't tase me bro. :panic:

I think the Captain took the correct action. Besides he/she could have always returned and deplaned the Knucklehead.

There would have been no reason to return to the gate for a wisecrack.
 
The CFRs cover this subject in a very general manner. The reg refers to air carriers and aircraft operated under IFR and that's about it. However, there has been ALOT of discussion between various air carriers and the FAA about it and the FAA has been specifying when it is ok to use cell phones. I haven't seen anything that says it's ok to use a phone while in the penalty box, but I don't think the FAA is gonna groan about it too much.
 
I've seen them groan about some pretty stupid stuff before!

I loved the Captain's response.

On the note of Stupid stuff we now have to wear the shoulder harness at all times in the SIM now and count all SIM time as 121 duty time. I wonder what the feds will think of next
 
I've seen them groan about some pretty stupid stuff before!

You got that right. The good thing is that they have loosened up a little bit on the issue. The FSDOs and individual Inspectors probably differ in opinion on ground stops just like they do on other things...:banghead:
 
Now, i'm not one to nitpick but it seems that lot of people lately are using ANY and EVERY excuse to call out low time pilots. If you want to call out low time pilots, be my guest i'll be there. But using non-related instances is just weakening your point.

Lighten up man! If someone starts giving you crap on the flightdeck about being low-time, guess what! You are pretty much going to have to suck it up and take it. You gotta have a little bit of thick skin to enjoy it sometimes.
 
I like this comment under the story:



"Yawn...
Yet *another* pop at anyone who has an iPhone - really?
Firstly the passenger was completely reasonable to say that he'd checked the weather forecast, and so I gather - was asking if there was anything wrong with the plane. Given airlines very often don´t tell passengers the full story, it's again reasonable to ask. The medium he used to get the weather forecast is completely immaterial. Would you say the same if he checked the TV or radio weather, then asked the same question? Of course not, it´s just a cheap shot at anyone with an iPhone.
Aside from anything else, the pilot's response is not only unprofessional, it´s also patronising, arrogant and only serves to put off customers.
IMHO these people that constantly feel that they have to put down anything that seems "popular" are far far worse."
 
I like this comment under the story:



"Yawn...
Yet *another* pop at anyone who has an iPhone - really?
Firstly the passenger was completely reasonable to say that he'd checked the weather forecast, and so I gather - was asking if there was anything wrong with the plane. Given airlines very often don´t tell passengers the full story, it's again reasonable to ask. The medium he used to get the weather forecast is completely immaterial. Would you say the same if he checked the TV or radio weather, then asked the same question? Of course not, it´s just a cheap shot at anyone with an iPhone.
Aside from anything else, the pilot's response is not only unprofessional, it´s also patronising, arrogant and only serves to put off customers.
IMHO these people that constantly feel that they have to put down anything that seems "popular" are far far worse."

I never really saw it as a cheap shot at iPhoners. But now I do...lol. Perhaps I should get on the wagon...

The way I'm seeing it is that the pilot had disenfranchised one passenger, and from what it appears made a histerical moment for just about everyone else. So -1 future passenger for the airline, but add the many returning customers to the equation.
 
Or maybe people should shut up and stop telling other people how to do their jobs. It's kind of like people that go to the doctor and tell the doctor they need antibiotics. I'll tell you what you need buddy, I'm the Doctor.
 
Our FOM allows for, at the captain's discretion, cell phones to be used in the event of a lengthy taxi out.

It was standard practice for us to do that on the Shuttle out of LGA.
 
cell phones seem to have a bad habit of making my headset go bzzzzzzzbzzzzzzzzzzzz bzzzz bz bz bz bz bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

So blocking out ATC/crewmembers because your celphone is screwing up my headset is something.
:rolleyes:
I have yet to miss an ATC call because I forgot to turn off my cell phone and the headset was going "bzzzzzzbzzzzzzzzzzzzz bzzz bz bz bz bz bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz bzzzzzzzzzz".

While annoying, you aren't going to miss a callout or an ATC instruction because of it.

-mini
 
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