110SU how bad?

Gonzo

Gonzo

Well-Known Member
Is 5090M back up yet?

http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/accident_incident/preliminary_data/media/E_1114_N.txt

********************************************************************************
** Report created 11/14/2007 Record 1 **
********************************************************************************

IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 110SU Make/Model: BE76 Description: 76 Duchess
Date: 11/13/2007 Time: 2000

Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Minor

LOCATION
City: FORT PIERCE State: FL Country: US

DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT LANDED WITH NOSE GEAR RETRACTED, FORT PIERCE, FL

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

WEATHER: 0508 10SM SCT033 BKN090 22/19 A3008

OTHER DATA
Activity: Training Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER


FAA FSDO: ORLANDO, FL (SO15) Entry date: 11/14/2007
 
....yeah, has to be some kind of record. Gear related incidents in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, lost form for a while in 2005 (grounded) and 2006. Now, here we are in 2007 with another incident. Is this the worlds worst Duchess? Maybe they should just weld the gear down and pretend it's just got fixed gear....better still, bulldoze it!
 
Florida_Flyer said:
....yeah, has to be some kind of record. Gear related incidents in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, lost form for a while in 2005 (grounded) and 2006. Now, here we are in 2007 with another incident. Is this the worlds worst Duchess? Maybe they should just weld the gear down and pretend it's just got fixed gear....better still, bulldoze it!
Click to expand...

Spoken like a politician trying feebly to validate a position with skewered facts. Is it airworthy? Yes or no. . .substantiated with what facts to support own's position? Is it generating revenue? Yes. (The business mind in me.) Is it safe? The answer is subjective.

Damage: Minor

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

No injuries. (That's good to hear)

DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT LANDED WITH NOSE GEAR RETRACTED, FORT PIERCE, FL

Perhaps we should blame Beechcraft for poor quality design. I mean "hey" failure of nosegear to retract after numeous repairs? Sounds like either hard landings by student pilots or bad design?
 
Five incidents relating to nosegear failure in seven years is not a great track record for any plane. My math is not great but I'm starting to see a pattern developing. If it was me, no way would I fly it! But you work for NASA don't you MFT1Air? You guys are not the greatest out there at managing risk, witness Challenger and Columbia!
 
Its not in the air yet, I was there two days ago, and its still in the maintance hangar.

But I was so surprised how many of their planes were down, in total 7 of them were down, and just this tuesday there was another incident on one of their dutchess where the front gear would not come down so they had to belly landed it, same day I was there to visit the school. Airplane conditions there are rough.
 
Florida_Flyer said:
But you work for NASA don't you MFT1Air? You guys are not the greatest out there at managing risk, witness Challenger and Columbia!
Click to expand...
Well, let's get the facts correct. Add Apollo 1 as well, then you'd be more accurate. Now honestly, are you even old enough to remember that incident? Were you even born when we landed on the moon? How about Apollo 13. . .not the Tom Hanks movie but the real mission?

Now. . .also do me a favor, please. Show me an organization who can fly someone safely to the moon on a regular basis. Just one. . .please?

Not the greatest. . .no, but for our scope of operation don't you waste any limited brain cells believing you can find any organization who has either the potential or the experience having been successful in doing it better. ;)

. . . and to be perfectly candid with you, my own personal opinion is that - there are probably one or more individuals (unfortunately) within NASA who probably have your same type of persona and thought process. Fortunately, because we have exacting standards, we're pretty good at getting rid of them. Yes, we do make mistakes in the quality/caliber of persons we hire. . .probably the same statement could be made about the organization who hired YOU as well. ;) To paraphrase you, we are not the greatest at managing risk or other negative factors/entities. We do try hard though. We're not perfect, but you'll not find any better.
 
MFT1Air said:
Now. . .also do me a favor, please. Show me an organization who can fly someone safely to the moon on a regular basis. Just one. . .please?
Click to expand...


I'm sure he will come and endorse the Soviet Space program next. His statement about Challenger and Columbia shows what a class-act he really is. Epithet NOT-omitted!! ;)
 
I'm sure he will come and endorse the Soviet Space program next
Click to expand...

You're right, I'm going to do just that. By my reckoning they have not killed a single one of their cosmonauts since 1971. Now NASA, well let's chalk up their/your results. That's two orbiters lost with the cost of 14 lives. NASA tried to fly with a bust O ring on Challenger. Despite guys like me shouting from the rooftops that this was going to get people killed, they launched anyway. The decision was probably made by some indecisive, goofy guy with a Phd/MBA who probably said something along the lines of.

Is it airworthy? Yes or no. . .substantiated with what facts to support own's position? Is it generating revenue? Yes. (The business mind in me.) Is it safe? The answer is subjective.
Click to expand...

When NASA, was dredging the corpses from the seabed the Reds were safely building the awesome space station Mir. Now Columbia, there's another story. No, it wasn't a great idea trying to re-enter with a chunk of the wing missing; was it? In 2010, that deathtrap, the Space Shuttle, the 110SU of space travel goes where it belongs, the Smithsonian. Meanwhile, the Russians and Chinese will carry on flying people into space and getting them back alive. Hell, they are even sending tourists up there these days. Sorry NASA, you're not doing a good job. Maybe stop blowing the budget on overpaid contractors who spend all of their working day posting on bulletin boards.

Now. . .also do me a favor, please. Show me an organization who can fly someone safely to the moon on a regular basis. Just one. . .please?
Click to expand...

Errrrrrrrr........I give up, can't think of one. Then again no one has flown to the moon in my lifetime. And before that they were not exactly doing it safely were they. Maybe that was because they sent Forrest Gump up there as mission commander?

If it is was me, I'd fire everyone at NASA, hire Burt Rutan, give him a mandate, a budget and watch the USA get ahead in the space race again!
 
Sorry to offend anyone else on this thread, but you've now justified why pilots for regionals and other major airlines are paid so poorly. You've justified why PFT/PFJ thrives in the airline sector, for uninformed, and in your case (aerospace industry ignorant and uneducated) fall prey to any misinformation that crosses your mind.

Florida_Flyer please, the internet is full of insightful information. Read it! Education is a powerful thing. My own personal perspective is that if this is your modus operandi, your future in the aviation . . .much less any industry will have a significantly reduced what I call a "stupidity glass ceiling." You sound like a bunch of rhetorical and shallow bits of useless information.

My goodness man - Pilots are the highest form of entity known to mankind! Don't prove yourself to be the exact opposite of that perception.
 
NickH said:
If Rutan had Nasa's Budget, we'd be colonising Mars...
Click to expand...

I don't think so; as if you didn't already know, simply by reading, you'll know Burt has already been in NASA's budget.

More importantly,

Spacecraft

SpaceShipOne now hangs in the National Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C. with the Spirit of Saint Louis and Bell X-1 "Glamorous Glennis"


He made headlines again in 2004 with SpaceShipOne, which became the first privately built, flown and funded craft to reach space in June of that year, winning the Ansari X Prize a few months later on October 4. SpaceShipOne completed two flights within two weeks, flying with the equivalent weight of 3 persons and doing so while reusing at least 80% of the vehicle hardware. The project team was honored with the 2004 Collier Trophy, awarded by the National Aeronautic Association for "greatest achievement in aeronautics or astronautics in America." The craft embodies Rutan's unique style, and is another of the "icons of flight" displayed in the NASM Milestones of Flight exhibit.[4]
This achievement was quickly commercialized — Virgin Galactic, an offshoot of Sir Richard Branson's Virgin Group, has announced that it will begin space tourism flights in 2008 using craft based on the designs of SpaceShipOne. Dubbed SpaceShipTwo, these new craft, also designed by Burt Rutan, are intended to allow six "experience optimized" passengers to glimpse the planet from 70-80 miles up in suborbital space. Production of the first of five planned SpaceShipTwo craft has started, with the first test flights currently scheduled for 2007-8. Passengers are expected to be carried in 2009.[citation needed] An explosion at the Scaled Composite factory at the Mojave Spaceport on July 26, 2007 killed three engineers and seriously injured three others. They were testing components for SpaceShipTwo, but as of August 2007 Scaled Composites remained dedicated to perfecting the design of SpaceShipTwo.[5]
Burt Rutan is also working with Transformational Space Corporation in the development of an air launched, two stage to orbit, manned spacecraft. It is intended to have a taxi capacity to carry passengers to the International Space Station. As of June 2005, air drop tests of quarter scale mockups had verified the practicality of air release and rotation to vertical.
Click to expand...

Now, you're going to say his program less risky? They only flew ONCE!! That flight lasted how long? More importantly, did you check to see how much was spent on his program to send a vehicle into space for what he was awarded. . .or did you not perform your due diligence research?

Oh, my point? 110SU will probably fly again. . .safely as well.
 
Well, I get paid well and my career is healthy. I seem to be doing something right in the real world as the job offers just keep flooding in. I owe aviation a lot more than it owes me thats for sure! This week I've helped two other pilots into good jobs so I'm giving something back too.

The PFT/PFJ link; I don't get it. What do I have to do with this? I've never paid for a job and have always been paid better than the industry average. Is it the people like me that speak out and fight back who are dragging the industry down. Or is it the one's that say nothing?

My goodness man - Pilots are the highest form of entity known to mankind!
Click to expand...

Dude, I just drive the bus, I don't think of myself like that. Do you honestly believe that?

did you check to see how much was spent on his program to send a vehicle into space for what he was awarded
Click to expand...

$50 million was it? Whatever it was, it was loose change for NASA and he is pushing back the limits. And yes, unlike the Russians he is probably taking risks.

Oh, my point? 110SU will probably fly again. . .safely as well.
Click to expand...

Maybe, but it hasn't been safe for over six years now and there are still doubts about it.
 
Florida_Flyer said:
Well, I get paid well and my career is healthy. I seem to be doing something right in the real world as the job offers just keep flooding in. I owe aviation a lot more than it owes me thats for sure! This week I've helped two other pilots into good jobs so I'm giving something back too.

The PFT/PFJ link; I don't get it. What do I have to do with this? I've never paid for a job and have always been paid better than the industry average. Is it the people like me that speak out and fight back who are dragging the industry down. Or is it the one's that say nothing?



Dude, I just drive the bus, I don't think of myself like that. Do you honestly believe that?
Click to expand...

Same comments are always made by individuals in the initial stages of their careers. Believe me, time is on my side. Your comments indicates perhaps your limited ability for deductive reasoning, for perhaps you missed my point?

My perspective? You don't speak out; you rant. That turns most off.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top