Gear up landing effect on career
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My bet is that it might make things a bit tougher....in the sense that you're going to have to explain what happened on every interview or what not.
But that's no means to the end of a career.
Glad to hear you're ok! what happened if you don't mind me asking? or should we wait until the NTSB report comes out on it?
But that's no means to the end of a career.
Glad to hear you're ok! what happened if you don't mind me asking? or should we wait until the NTSB report comes out on it?
The career? Hard to say. He will have to explain some things for sure.
From I have heard, it will require new checkrides for sure....
darrenf
resident denizen
trafficinsight
Well-Known Member
A friend of mine had his student pull the gear instead of flaps on rollout after his first interview but before his second, he told them about the incident at the second interview and still got hired.
My guess is that it's the old advice of if you can explain how it's made you a better pilot to their satisfaction you wont have a problem... but who knows?
My guess is that it's the old advice of if you can explain how it's made you a better pilot to their satisfaction you wont have a problem... but who knows?
newty
New Member
Not real sure about the details. I just got back from 18 days in the grand canyon, called my boss to see about flying this month and he told me about it so I called the pilot and as you would guess he was still a little in shock. He'll be glad to know that is most likely not a career ender.
gredenko
Well-Known Member
It all depends on the circumstances. If he was handling high workload, e.g. manual gear extension, new IFR pilot in hard IMC down to minimums, etc., then when the interviewer asks him it will definately be a "lesson learned" angle.
On the other hand, if you're like one of my ex-managers of a large flight school in MN who was with another CFI in VMC, secretly removing circuit breakers to see if the flying pilot would notice no "3 green," then that's pretty much a career ender.
Remember, it's not the gear up - it's the decision making that they're looking at. Same with speeding tickets, misdemeanors, etc.
On the other hand, if you're like one of my ex-managers of a large flight school in MN who was with another CFI in VMC, secretly removing circuit breakers to see if the flying pilot would notice no "3 green," then that's pretty much a career ender.
Remember, it's not the gear up - it's the decision making that they're looking at. Same with speeding tickets, misdemeanors, etc.
CaptBill
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Airjets: Assuming you are sincere, a gear up landing is when a retractable gear aircraft lands with the gear retracted (up). Reasons can range from forgetting to put it down to some sort of mechanical failure.
On an aviation forum like this, it is assumed that those posting know some basic things about airplanes. You will serve yourself well by becoming familiar with some of these basic concepts so you can share thoughts and ideas already knowing the basics.
It's not likely that you will find members here willing to spend a lot of time explaining basic aviation concepts as we are normally busy talking about flight attendants, parties in Vegas, jumpseats, girlfriends, beer and a host of other important things.
:crazy: Google is a great tool to answer some of those basic questions. Welcome to JC by the way.
CaptBill
Well-Known Member
That was kind of a harsh answer! (Sarcasm)
As the OB/GYN would say "I tried to be gentle."
Pistolpak1
New Member
There are those that have screwed up and those that will screw up. Just depends when you do it. I think it also depends how you handle it.
exactly...I know a couple guys that landed gear up (because they forgot)....and they're both captains at regionals now. It's all about attitude. When you interview at a company, they know that people make mistakes...especially in our business. They want to see how you handle it. If you display a defeatist attitude and try to blame everyone else for the situation, you probably won't get hired. If you leave it at, "I screwed up, and I won't do that again", It shows the interviewer that you've recognized the problem and learned a lesson that you're very unlikely to repeat.
falconvalley
Absentee Dad of the OOTSK, Runner, Cat Frustrator
Airjets: Assuming you are sincere, a gear up landing is when a retractable gear aircraft lands with the gear retracted (up). Reasons can range from forgetting to put it down to some sort of mechanical failure.
On an aviation forum like this, it is assumed that those posting know some basic things about airplanes. You will serve yourself well by becoming familiar with some of these basic concepts so you can share thoughts and ideas already knowing the basics.
It's not likely that you will find members here willing to spend a lot of time explaining basic aviation concepts as we are normally busy talking about flight attendants, parties in Vegas, jumpseats, girlfriends, beer and a host of other important things.
Welcome to JC by the way.
It was a good question, however. There are people on here who will spend time answering questions, even if they sound ridiculous to other people. I asked all the obscure questions until I had some of this figured out...
airjets, make sure you know all the forum rules if you haven't read them already.
MarkE
Greetings, Professor Falken
I would imagine there being some sort of alarm when the plane sets up for a landing with the gear still up..This is old technology!... maybe i've been watching to much tv..
You would imagine correctly. And is there such a thing as too much tv??
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
I know 2 guys that GU'pd our planes within the past year. One of them is now at Cape Air and the other is with 9E I believe. Now their chances for getting on with a major someday will be a bit tougher.
hattrick
Well-Known Member
I would imagine there being some sort of alarm when the plane sets up for a landing with the gear still up..This is old technology!... maybe i've been watching to much tv
the chieftain is a slightly older plane and the gear warning systems have much to be desired. some models have a warning that goes off past 15 degrees of flaps. this system seems to work less than its broken and is often times just turned off by guys. the other and main warning is linked to the power setting but its set so low that it doesnt even go off till you're in the landing flare and pulling the power off. which basically tells you that you just landed gear up. so basically they are as worthless as the fuel warning system that tells you just as the tank goes dry and the engine quits.
sefro
Well-Known Member
It should have an alarm as specified under part 23.729 (F)I would imagine there being some sort of alarm when the plane sets up for a landing with the gear still up..This is old technology!... maybe i've been watching to much tv
(f) Landing gear warning. For landplanes, the following aural or equally effective landing gear warning devices must be provided:
(1) A device that functions continuously when one or more throttles are closed beyond the power settings normally used for landing approach if the landing gear is not fully extended and locked. A throttle stop may not be used in place of an aural device. If there is a manual shutoff for the warning device prescribed in this paragraph, the warning system must be designed so that when the warning has been suspended after one or more throttles are closed, subsequent retardation of any throttle to, or beyond, the position for normal landing approach will activate the warning device.
(2) A device that functions continuously when the wing flaps are extended beyond the maximum approach flap position, using a normal landing procedure, if the landing gear is not fully extended and locked. There may not be a manual shutoff for this warning device. The flap position sensing unit may be installed at any suitable location. The system for this device may use any part of the system (including the aural warning device) for the device required in paragraph (f)(1) of this section.
Oh well..