Not to sure what to make of this

bumblebee said:
The Doubletree has cookies (get your own milk). . . and you can order the bedtime story on the TV menu:D (just hit the yellow button)


By the way I go to school online, and I do most of my homework in the hotel. I wish I'd have completed my degree before I came on line.
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You were SOOOOOOOOO late with this one (see above... ;))!!! I was at the D-Tree in CLT last week and the van driver left us stranded when they were supposed to pick us up, and by way of apologies, we got a couple of EXTRA cookies! :)

Who says there ain't no perks in this industry??? :nana2:
 
bumblebee said:
By the way I go to school online, and I do most of my homework in the hotel. I wish I'd have completed my degree before I came on line.
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Dale, unfortunately I'm gonna be "that guy" too. Wish I had taken advantage of school when I had the time.

Now it's online university or career regional pilot!

You reading this Bigey? :)
 
Seggy said:
Let me preface this by saying we have a very young pilot group, a pilot group with a good bunch of guys and gals, nothing personal against them.

Was talking to a crew scheduler the other day; they have had some younger First Officers turn down trips because they had to finish their homework for last minute class deadlines for their online classes.

The company is dumbfounded about this. Usually you have problems with staffing restaurants because the young wait staff has exams, school work etc. Not airline pilots.
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These online schools must be tough! When I was in college I just cut classes when I had to fly.
 
surreal1221 said:
Well, I have to say that if I was on my off time, and the company called me wanting to pick up a trip - and I'm occupied - I'm not going to take it.
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Best solution, don't answer the phone. If the company is calling you on your off day to pick up a trip, they ain't asking, they're TELLING. Answer the phone, and short of a dying grandmother or child care issues (even then, the grandmother might not get you out of it), you'll get MT and wind up in the base manager's office. Welcome to teh suck, Colgan guys. This is what Pinnacle management does. They like to be the SWA of the regionals and short staff, hoping guys pick up or take the JM calls to cover the open time. Unfortunately, unlike SWA, they don't pay premiums for pick ups and wonder why no one answers their phones on their days off when they only get 10-12 a month.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Might be one of those 'inverse assignment' things.

If crew scheduling catches me on my day off for an inverse assignment and I pick up the phone, I'm going flying unless I have extenuating circumstances like "Just finished off a Franziskaner, ma'am" or child care.

Which is why I don't pick up the phone when it says "unknown caller".
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You can borrow my kids if it ever comes to that. :D
 
Fly4Pay said:
You were SOOOOOOOOO late with this one (see above... ;))!!! I was at the D-Tree in CLT last week and the van driver left us stranded when they were supposed to pick us up, and by way of apologies, we got a couple of EXTRA cookies! :)

Who says there ain't no perks in this industry??? :nana2:
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You're right I was late . . . but what about the bedtime story bit:yup:

We were at the MOD Doubletree 2 days ago and I went down to the desk and asked for an extra cookie because I didn't get a warm one the night before. . . they were laughing with me as they handed me the yummy brown bag:rawk:DTree rocks!
 
Seggy said:
Let me preface this by saying we have a very young pilot group, a pilot group with a good bunch of guys and gals, nothing personal against them.

Was talking to a crew scheduler the other day; they have had some younger First Officers turn down trips because they had to finish their homework for last minute class deadlines for their online classes.

The company is dumbfounded about this. Usually you have problems with staffing restaurants because the young wait staff has exams, school work etc. Not airline pilots.
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Since I'm on the other side of the pond: If they call you on a day off, do you HAVE to pick up the trip? Is there any line in your contract where it says you have to go flying if they call you?
 
Just tell them that due to FARs you are unfit to fly. That can be anything, drinking, medication, scuba diving, giving blood. Any chief pilot that won't back you up with that excuse has got something wrong with them.
 
No big deal. If they want to do classes on their days off, so be it. At least their getting their degrees, so when the hurt comes they can move on to greener pastures at an ALPA carrier. It's their time off! Start passing on for those goobers to stop answering their phones. Make the company hurt as much as you can! I'm sure there is plenty of those 155 that didn't vote that will gladly cover those trips.:D
 
mtsu_av8er said:
So, wait - Colgan can take disciplinary action against you if you refuse extra flying that wasn't awarded to you?

Are these pilots dropping trips because they have other things to do, or is scheduling unable to properly staff the schedule, and pilots are refusing to make up for the company's inability to manage itself?
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Absolutely BINGO. Scheduling will bend you over any chance they get, why the hell should we volunteer to do the bending? I don't mind helping a company out, but when they make decision without thinking about how its going to affect their crew members, when I'm off - I'm off. I don't answer the phone.
 
surreal1221 said:
Well, I have to say that if I was on my off time, and the company called me wanting to pick up a trip - and I'm occupied - I'm not going to take it.

Now, if I was scheduled to fly, then obviously I'd fly. . .I won't make up a reason to not goto work.

Also, if on reserve. . .I'd also go fly. But, like I said, if I'm in my off time and the company calls me. . .I'm not picking up the spot. They need to hire more crews.
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If you pick up the phone you are going flying. Pretty much hosed yourself at this point.

Hence do not ever pick up a call from an "unknown" on your days off. This is exactly why they invented voice mail.:hiya:
 
:yeahthat:

That's pretty much the modus operandi at my current and previous airline.

Compelling reasons like alcohol consumption and unavailability of child care can relieve you of responsibility to cover an inverse assignment, but if you say, "Can't because I don't wanna!", you may be sitting in the chief pilot's office listening to the recording with your ALPA rep explaining why you have a 'failure to cover' report.

But it all depends on your contract or working agreement. What a great time to review that! :)

I almost got a 'failure to cover' during an inverse assignment a few years ago, but since the ACARS message said "How would FO Taylor like an assignment" rather than "FO Taylor HAS an assignment", I was able to successfully shirk responsibility to covering the trip.
 
Supposedly C--w S--------g can't ask us to cover stuff/pick up flying/assign us new trips through ACARS. However, we'll see what happens when a) we really do run out of pilots and b) if we "pull a Colgan."
 
H46Bubba said:
No big deal. If they want to do classes on their days off, so be it. At least their getting their degrees, so when the hurt comes they can move on to greener pastures at an ALPA carrier.
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There's a lot of talk about "raising the bar" around here, and then we knock people that are bettering themselves so that they can raise the bar.

Geez . . .
 
mtsu_av8er said:
There's a lot of talk about "raising the bar" around here, and then we knock people that are bettering themselves so that they can raise the bar.

Geez . . .
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Hey, man. I'm getting my degree on-line, but I don't have to miss trips to do it. If scheduling calls me on my day off I just don't answer the phone. End of story. If I do answer the phone, "I got online school" is NOT a valid reason to get out of work. Sorry if I don't have any sympathy for other people trying to use it as a cop out for being stupid and answering the phone.
 
The hotel we stayed at in BTV -- Hilton maybe?? -- had cookies AND milk when you got in on a high speed.
 
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