Questions about Mesa Airlines

PurduePilot said:
Agreed. Even if you are just using it as a stepping stone, no one knows that but you. The only thing you're showing is that you're willing to work for crappy work rules and low pay. Then management says to themselves, "no matter how low pay is there are still people willing to work for it, so why increase pay?"

By taking the job at MESA you're hurting all of us in the long run.
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Actually I hear their pay isn't that bad as far as regionals go. But it's not always about pay.

Work rules, work rules, work rules!
 
FLflyer said:
My God, why do people go there? To the original poster, his statement alone should be enough for you to stay away, even if you did not search anything else on this entire board.
Hmmm...billboards across the country venting about the rotten work rules, pilots leaving left and right for a lateral move, only 8 DAYS off/month, a mgmt. group that could care less about the CBA, etc, etc, etc.....but "what is it really like there?" This site is not about bashing a company just for the hell of it, it's about letting you know the truth. If you choose to not believe what countless pilots are telling you (Brand X does not count, since his only experience is Flight Sim, either that or Brand X is the lonely wife/girlfriend of a pilot pretending to be one)...be forewarned. Do not go to Mesa, you can pretty much go to any regional right now.
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I got one better for you...

My "friend" at ASU is goin' to be attending the ASU/Mesa program. I told him about this thread and the 8 days off a month.

He was excited saying that is four more than he gets now at his current job. He works a M-F job!

:rolleyes:
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Read it again, and notice I said good pay, by regional standards!
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Yeah, I read it right. Good pay by regional standards is in the $18k-24k range and that is still too low to make living very difficult. Standards have fallen far when that kind of pay, for a college educated person, is considered acceptable.

Pay needs to come up to $36k across the board.
 
PurduePilot said:
Yeah, I read it right. Good pay by regional standards is in the $18k-24k range and that is still too low to make living very difficult. Standards have fallen far when that kind of pay, for a college educated person, is considered acceptable.

Pay needs to come up to $36k across the board.
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I think you're not getting what i'm saying correctly. I'm not saying go to Mesa and save up for that Porsche.

Just saying that what they pay their people is industry average, and not below like many people are lead to believe. Their pay is adequate, but it's their work rules that are absolutely horrible.

Is their pay good, #### no. Should the pilots settle for crappy pay when their contract become ammendable "oh hell no." Pilots at both regional and majors should get paid alot more than they do.

But hey, even Mesa pilots make more than Skywest pilots who fly 900's!

:)
 
How is $18k-24k adequate?

Management must love you. Never has a college-educated person come so cheap.

What next? $30k for a master's?
 
PurduePilot said:
How is $18k-24k adequate?

Management must love you. Never has a college-educated person come so cheap.

What next? $30k for a master's?
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Okay...were gonna try this again. One last time! $18-24k as a starting wage is adequate in comparison the already established industry median starting wage for most regional carriers.

My topic of discussion isn't at all about if it is right or wrong, or if they should be paid more. I'm saying in direct comparison to the industry national average for regional airlines Mesa's pay scale is not really above or below the level line. Meaining not great but just adequate.

Most people think Mesa sucks all the way around with both pay and work rules. Their pay does suck. But in comparison to the industry average it's not as low as the uninitiated might think.

So if you finally undestand my arguement you'll understand what I'm stating.

Now if you want to argue soley about regional industry pay, it's crap. Salaries should start at $35-40k.

Hopefully were "there." If not...sigh!
 
BobDDuck said:
No idea about the Delta flying out of JFK. As far as I knew all the Delta flying was on the Freedom certificate and the 900s are on the Mesa certificate. Not sure how that would work.
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Seriously - if you don't have a clue, why post? In the 1950's United had no jet aircraft - so by your logic they never will have jet aircraft - which is going to come as a HELL of a surprise to the people there flying jets.

Right now there are no CRJs on the Freedom certificate - what is it, exactly, that makes you think CRJs couldn't be added to the Freedom certificate? Remember - 12 months ago there weren't any Dash-8s on the Freedom certificate - now I hesitate to throw that out there as a shining example of how to add planes to a certificate - but nobody can deny that Dashs are flying under the Freedom certificate now.
 
By using the word "adequate" it seemed as if you were excusing the pay and focusing on work rules.

In my world, fix pay first then go to work rules.

Just because Mesa maybe paying what all the rest are, doesn't make it right. I dream of the day when one airline takes the initiative and ups pay. However, since I'm a realist, there are going to be hundreds of people willing to live below the poverty line just to fly a jet. That's just sad.
 
PurduePilot said:
By using the word "adequate" it seemed as if you were excusing the pay and focusing on work rules.

In my world, fix pay first then go to work rules.

Just because Mesa maybe paying what all the rest are, doesn't make it right. I dream of the day when one airline takes the initiative and ups pay. However, since I'm a realist, there are going to be hundreds of people willing to live below the poverty line just to fly a jet. That's just sad.
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Well, I'm no airline pilot. But I know plenty, both on here and off. They all seem to agree that work rules are almost more important than pay!
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Well, I'm no airline pilot. But I know plenty, both on here and off. They all seem to agree that work rules are almost more important than pay!
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I'd rather fix the work rules and then pay myself. You can be a lot more sly with getting work rules fixed. Apparently half of Mesa's problem is a pilot group that won't refuse to violate their contract and a union that refuses to do anything about it.
 
Chicken and egg.

I'd rather be sure I can pay for the essentials before tackling being on the road for 2 weeks.

If one can't pay for food, heat, and basic necessities everything else becomes moot.
 
But hey, even Mesa pilots make more than Skywest pilots who fly 900's!
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Wrong. SKW captains pull in more at a slightly lower hourly rate and SKW FOs make so much more than their Mesa counterparts. It's all about work rules, benefits, and hourly rates.
 
GaTechKid said:
...but we don't get to wear sweet purple windbreakers. And we don't get to fly UEX aircraft with teal radomes/flaps. :)
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Hey now, the purple wind breakers arent even part of the uniform anymore lol. Just the barney wings.

CFIse- there are no CRJ's on the freedom certificate? Huh? Then why did JFK just open to CA/FO on the freedom side for the CRJ? Might want to check that.

And Max, you may say that Mesa pays well(lol you sound like the email JO just put out...sure you dont work for mgmt?) but as GaTechKid said its all about the work rules. No guarantee for bids, wx cx arent paid and no daily guarantee makes for a much smaller paycheck than the skywest guys. A first year Skywest FO makes more than a 3 year FO at Mesa. Trust me.

BTW today I am officially LAMA!!! 170 school here I come.

Heh, Mesa turned out to be the best damn thing I ever did in aviation. If I wouldnt have gone there I would have never gotten the 170 out of PIT. Yea for RAH!!!
 
Mesa's website stipulates minimum TT and multi-time in order to apply for FO. Out of curiosity, if they are hurting this bad for pilots do you think they would go for applicants with "wet" commercial tickets? Just a thought.
 
inside0ut said:
And Max, you may say that Mesa pays well(lol you sound like the email JO just put out...sure you dont work for mgmt?)
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I'm no regional pilot. But I log on and read, listen to people in the know and take heart of what they're saying.

Not only on this site, but on others I have read pilots in the know say that Mesa's rates aren't as bad as many people think.

But what I'm trying to tell people is that you can have a high paying CBA with horrible work rules and it amounts for not. But for the sake of arguement they're utter crap.

You can have a lower paying salary, but manipulate a CBA work rules to your advantage to make more in the end. Just ask zmiller4 how he made more at SKYW his first year at $19 an hr. vs. when he when he was at Eagle with a starting salary of $24 an hr.

Work rules people, work rules!!!
 
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