RJ program now FREE to ATP instructors
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meyers9163
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"There is really no way you can compare a 90 day program grad to a 4 year UND grad. They are the same FAA ratings but there is a WHOLE lot more to consider than that. Saying a 90 day guy has absorbed as much in 90 days as a UND guy would in four years just doesn't make any sense."
Then why throw it out there? Just wondering..... Agreed both are pilots both have the same ratings both are just as qualified per say..... That's the last of my 2 cents...... Again nothing against don and i'm sure he has his reasons for the ATP thing.....
Then why throw it out there? Just wondering..... Agreed both are pilots both have the same ratings both are just as qualified per say..... That's the last of my 2 cents...... Again nothing against don and i'm sure he has his reasons for the ATP thing.....
DE727UPS
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"Don, you are going to have to tell that (sort of) MEI story some time."
Sure. I've told it before at this forum and would hate to be called a "hater" for telling it over and over.
There was a time in the mid-80's when I had 2000 total, low multi, and was working for the FAA. I decided to add to my pilot resume by adding the ATP multi with allATP's at KLGB. I believe it was $699 for the MEI and $699 for the ATP. I did the ATP course and got what I paid for. Though the two training flights I did were from the left seat and focused only on ATP, my logbook was signed as ATP/MEI prep. When I had showed up for the training, the school manager pulled me aside and said "if you pay the MEI course fee, we can give you a MEI as well as your ATP". I was not an active instructor and had done all my previous training at a small FBO, so I figured, hey, these guys must know what they are doing and it all must be okay. So I did it. Took my ATP ride and got signed off for ATP and MEI. Never sat in the right seat once or demonstrated any sort of MEI knowledge.
Having been in the biz a while, now, I don't think that's how it normally works. I lived in LA on and off after that, and later flew Convairs out of LAX and did some fish spotting in 150's. That DE's name came up years later as having his ticket pulled for a while after being involved in an accident....at least that's what I heard.
If you were around LGB in the mid-80's, I'm sure you'd remember the guy.
Oh, and though I've been critical of the 90 day program for years at this forum, I only discovered I was, in fact, and ATP alumni until very recently. Wonder if ATP would like to add me to their "successful grads" link at their website?
Sure. I've told it before at this forum and would hate to be called a "hater" for telling it over and over.
There was a time in the mid-80's when I had 2000 total, low multi, and was working for the FAA. I decided to add to my pilot resume by adding the ATP multi with allATP's at KLGB. I believe it was $699 for the MEI and $699 for the ATP. I did the ATP course and got what I paid for. Though the two training flights I did were from the left seat and focused only on ATP, my logbook was signed as ATP/MEI prep. When I had showed up for the training, the school manager pulled me aside and said "if you pay the MEI course fee, we can give you a MEI as well as your ATP". I was not an active instructor and had done all my previous training at a small FBO, so I figured, hey, these guys must know what they are doing and it all must be okay. So I did it. Took my ATP ride and got signed off for ATP and MEI. Never sat in the right seat once or demonstrated any sort of MEI knowledge.
Having been in the biz a while, now, I don't think that's how it normally works. I lived in LA on and off after that, and later flew Convairs out of LAX and did some fish spotting in 150's. That DE's name came up years later as having his ticket pulled for a while after being involved in an accident....at least that's what I heard.
If you were around LGB in the mid-80's, I'm sure you'd remember the guy.
Oh, and though I've been critical of the 90 day program for years at this forum, I only discovered I was, in fact, and ATP alumni until very recently. Wonder if ATP would like to add me to their "successful grads" link at their website?
DE727UPS
Well-Known Member
"Then why throw it out there? Just wondering....."
Cause you said:
"Both pilots are just as qualified in flying the plane. Both take the same test."
Which implies a lot of things, the least of which is that both are at the same knowledge level. I just don't think you can cram 90 days of training in and walk away with the same background/knowledge base that a guy who did a four year program has.
Then you said:
"Care to argue?"
Cause you said:
"Both pilots are just as qualified in flying the plane. Both take the same test."
Which implies a lot of things, the least of which is that both are at the same knowledge level. I just don't think you can cram 90 days of training in and walk away with the same background/knowledge base that a guy who did a four year program has.
Then you said:
"Care to argue?"
meyers9163
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Ah.... I can see your arguement about the knowledge over 90 days as opposed to 4 years..... That I will buy..... Care to argue eh....
! Yet i stick to my guns on a new cfi is a new cfi period and i dont think that was a point to argue over so we are on the same page there...
Fly_Unity
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I do agree that the 4 year guy will be more likely to be more knowledgeable then the 5 month guy, however the 5 month guy in 4 years could have 2000 duel given by then and almost his pick of what job he wants, whereas the 4 year guy will only be at 250 hours, and trying to figure a way to build his multi time.
Mysel I dont think its to wise (financially) to spend 4 years on education spending money when you could be working them 4 years, paying bills, or getting better qualifications. Which is why I choose the ATP - UVSC route, not that its better, but because Im not all that patient, and couldn't stand the slow pace programs.
This is becoming a pet peeve of mine too. Seeing "duel given" a bit too much these days.
SpiraMirabilis
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I don't know about you but I personally have fought 2,000 duels. Maybe Fly Unity's hypothetical guy has also.
Captain_Bob
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CaptainCrickettMan
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killbilly
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dammit, someone always beats me to it....
oh well...
"we're leaving at 0600, going in low, under their radar."
"when will you be back?"
"I can't tell you that. It's classified."
CaptainCrickettMan
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!LOL! Just when I was trying to escape the madness at APC. :banghead:
How did you know it was me? Don't tell me. The seabee? Or maybe the website? Or maybe you're TELEPATHIC?
Always a privlege to see you, DE.