Complaining about the money

meritflyer

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All I ever hear is people complaining about the money that pilots earn. After going knee deep in research, I cant agree that there is not a very healthy living to be made flying professionally. First off, you need to define what is good money. For some, $70,000 is a good paycheck and rightfully so if the workrules and QOL fit the bill. For others, the six figure check is a must, again, rightfully so.

I've seen many folks stay at the regional level for several reasons. I personally have a good family friend who is a 12 year vet at Skywest. He loves his job, pay, QOL, seniority and base. He has no reason to leave. I recently spoke to a pilot who flies Challengers making well into the six figure range who loved his job.

There are guys here flying for regionals, majors, cargo outfits, and legacies who all do very well. Take DE727UPS who has been very open (rightfully so) about how much he makes. Doug can't hide the fact that his pay at DAL is also what I consider, a great living. NJA also has been very honest about what NJA guys make and I appreciate their insight.

There is money to be made flying. You choose what ally you want to pursue it through. If its regionals to cargo, cargo to fractional, instructing to corporate, that's your choice. But it is not the black hole that is portrayed more often than not.

It's true that things are maybe not what they used to be pre 9/11 but there is still cash at almost every major airline and even alot of regionals if you choose to be a regional pilot. Southwest, AirTran, JBLU, DAL, CAL, United, American, NJA, XJT, SKYW, Alaska, RJET, FedEx, UPS and so forth all pay their guys well to fly at one point.

Get your degree, study hard, fly safe, be a good co-worker, support your wages as a professional and you'll make a good living doing it. Make yourself an asset by doing a good job when you show up to the time you leave. Obey the rules.

Happy flying.
 
When there are guys qualifying for food stamps in some states and myself personally missing the NJ state cutoff by ten dollars per paycheck period, what should we say about the pay?
 
Pay in the beginning is ridiculous, and something needs to be done about it, there is no doubt about that. BUT, it does get better. The salaries that captains make at the regional level are fairly healthy salaries. It really just depends on where you live. I agree, how much is considered a good salary, really depends on the person, more than anything. It will vary.
 
When there are guys qualifying for food stamps in some states and myself personally missing the NJ state cutoff by ten dollars per paycheck period, what should we say about the pay?

It's a damn shame. It should be addressed and corrected.
 
The salaries that captains make at the regional level are fairly healthy salaries.

I was a 5-year Captain at a large regional and was on track to make about $70k this year until I left. I don't consider 70 grand to be a "healthy salary" for an air line Captain. I spent a heck of a lot of time away from home and had a lot of headaches for that salary. The pay at the regionals is extremely substandard.
 
I was a 5-year Captain at a large regional and was on track to make about $70k this year until I left. I don't consider 70 grand to be a "healthy salary" for an air line Captain. I spent a heck of a lot of time away from home and had a lot of headaches for that salary. The pay at the regionals is extremely substandard.


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Especially when you had guys flying the same equipment relatively speaking at majors making twice that when the 737-200s and DC-9s ruled the sky rather than the CTRL+ALT+DEL jets.
 
Not trying to start a fight, just stating a fact. As long as you people willingly take those jobs, there will be no incentive for management to raise the pay.

You are spot on. When there are people willing to fly a 70 seat regional jet for $19.02/hr, people show up to interview, which subsequently fills the classes, this is what happens. The "well when I'm a Captain the salary is healthy" doesn't justify it at all.

If you make year 1 FO: $25,000... year 2: 35,000....year 3: 43,000 (upgrade) CA---make $65,000, 68,000, and 70,000 repesctfully (using hourly rates x 1,000 hrs/yr) your average pay for six years is only $51,000. Really not that impressive considering you gave up six years of your life to make an avg. of $51,000, most likely have a 4-year degree, and are responsible for thousands of lives each year/month/day. That assumes you work for a place with a good pay scale---the more realistic version given todays regionals would be 19,000....30,000.....35,000/60,000.....63,000.....65,000 (Avg: $45,300 for six years)
 
Not trying to start a fight, just stating a fact. As long as you people willingly take those jobs, there will be no incentive for management to raise the pay.

Who are "you people?"

Is there a nice way to state the obvious? Or, do we not say it if somebody is going to have their feelings hurt?

Tact, Lloyd. That's all. Some people pride themselves on "giving it straight," or touting off cute phrases like "the truth only hurts if it should." But what that really means is that people aren't taking the time to fully explain their points of view and aren't educating others, if they are in such a position to educate.

Saying things like "people like you," and "you people" does nothing but inspire anger. If I were Merit I'd stop listening to BrandX at this point.

If BrandX has a point about low pay, and maybe some helpful advice for those new in the industry, people might listen. He's a UPS pilot who I imagine has some insight about the industry, but all I ever hear from him is that commuters suck, stop loving flying, it's just a job, and working at a regional for low pay is stupid.

Okay, if these are the facts off life, why use this information to "hurt people's feelings," as you say, and why not give some constructive information on how to attain HIS level in the industry?
 
No need to as long as the commuters have people like you to take those jobs at those pay levels.

Sorry I dont mean the mins for SWA. :sarcasm:

I chose the best regional (XJT) to leave my [well over] six figure salary to begin my aviation career.

I fully intend to use my choice of regional as a stepping stone.
 
Tact, Lloyd. That's all.

Now, that I agree with 100%. There's no need to turn things into personal attacks.

Saying things like "people like you," and "you people" does nothing but inspire anger. If I were Merit I'd stop listening to BrandX at this point.
Band-Aid made my "special list" in his first 20 posts . . . :)

Okay, if these are the facts off life, why use this information to "hurt people's feelings," as you say, and why not give some constructive information on how to attain HIS level in the industry?
I knew I liked you. See, that's why every company needs a Commander, AND a First Sergeant. :)
 
I knew I liked you. See, that's why every company needs a Commander, AND a First Sergeant. :)

Ain't that the truth! My first sergeant kept me out of a bunch of trouble when I was a commander! Probably kept me from being relieved at one point. Happy to say I did the same for him. :)
 
Not trying to start a fight, just stating a fact. As long as you people willingly take those jobs, there will be no incentive for management to raise the pay.

Great attitude.

Stand on the sidelines and pray for a miracle rather than get involved in something you really believe in?

There is a starting point in every job. I made a great living in my last job however to get to my product division, you typically were a CSR or rep for a smaller company making dirt. Maybe our applicants should've demanded better pay and benefits eh? Right..

There is due process in any career. My company's CEO made $55,000 20 years ago as the Chairman and Chief.

Prior to UPS, what did you do for pay? AF? Instruct? Both those are real bread winners. :sarcasm:
 
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