You know what really grinds my gears?

tonyw said:
So what would you folks say about the exchange I had a few days ago?

One of the controllers must have had a stuck mike because I talked to her, got my request approved and she said "he sounds like my ex-boyfriend."

My retort was, "I dunna, are you hot?"

There was dead silence on the frequency for a few seconds, and then someone piped in "yeah, are you?"
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Love it.

:D
 
This is a very interesting thread... I would like to add a few things.

When ATC calls traffic and you say you have him on TCAS, or fish finder, or any of the other 5000 names I have heard you're wasting time, mine and yours. If you see him say it ... other wise advise you are looking. If you are in the clouds reply IMC.

The problem with with not sticking to proper phraseology is in the event of an incident or accident. I have been a part of many an investigation involving pilot errors and deviations and when a room full of FAA suits here you talking on tape like that you come across as a tool... plain and simple. There was one not too long ago where a pilot was given a crossing restriction out of the FL's and his read back had something dumb about plugging it into "the meter" referring to the altimeter. Well ... he plugged in the wrong setting and dropped right into another A/C. Listening to that tape the pilot sounded like an idiot and he got burned by the FAA.

My opinion ... we are all professionals... lets sound like it.
 
There is a reason the phrasiology is in the AIM and not the Regs. As long as your not stupid or the controller/other aircraft cannot understand you, it's good in my book.
 
"...................aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand *insert callsign here* with you level niner thousand."
 
well i can tell that you folks arent from alaska. we kinda have a very laid back attitude up here including controllers pilots and proffesional pilots. the funny thing is i am really lax on phraesology but some of the crap up here really bugs me. stuff like so and so desend and maintain 5000 cleared direct fox. and the answer is "ok". i firmly believe in repeating clearances
 
Any Chance you can quit saying Any chance? Just ask for what you want.

And another thing...Got the runway insight ,....when it helps...

as apposed to what? When its not helpful? Get over your ego and the fact you dont want to sound dumb by calling the field early.
 
Kingairer said:
Any Chance you can quit saying Any chance? Just ask for what you want.

And another thing...Got the runway insight ,....when it helps...

as apposed to what? When its not helpful? Get over your ego and the fact you dont want to sound dumb by calling the field early.
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Sometimes we have the field insight, but are too far away to accept the visual.

Also, on the visual into SFO and other large airports we have the field insight, but are aware they can not give us the vis because of other traffic inbound from other areas. It is generally understood that when we advise field insight, we want the visual clearance. I've noticed that if we add, "when it helps", the controller knows we are aware that the visual approach may not be feasable yet, but we're ready when it is.
 
milski said:
At least it's straight out of the pilot/controller glossary. :p Not that I've heard anyone else use it.
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I think I'm the only person on this planet who actually says "negative contact" :D.

kingairer said:
And another thing...Got the runway insight ,....when it helps...

as apposed to what? When its not helpful? Get over your ego and the fact you dont want to sound dumb by calling the field early.
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Sound dumb? As if you know exactly where you stand when in line? Sometimes you can tell easily but others not. If one were smart, one could say "field in sight" when ATC asks you something else, thus alleviating the 4 way exchange of:

ATC: "XYZ 4220 do you have the field?"
XYZ 4220: "XYZ 4220 airport in sight"
ATC: "XYZ 4220 cleared visual approach 35"
XYZ 4220: "XYZ 4220 Cleared visual approach runway 35"

and just get straight to the point

ATC: "XYZ cleared for the visual approach 35"
XYZ: "XYZ 4220 cleared for the visual 35"
 
It usualy cracks me up when I hear ATIS saying "sky: missing" I always start looking around with a grin. :D
 
bumblebee said:
Sometimes we have the field insight, but are too far away to accept the visual.

Also, on the visual into SFO and other large airports we have the field insight, but are aware they can not give us the vis because of other traffic inbound from other areas. It is generally understood that when we advise field insight, we want the visual clearance. I've noticed that if we add, "when it helps", the controller knows we are aware that the visual approach may not be feasable yet, but we're ready when it is.
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Guess we know who is saying this now.
 
Still nothing beats those who key the mic and start to readback an ATC clearance.... stutter, stop talking, and then hold down the mic for 5 secs till they either remember or finally let go! :banghead:
 
You get around dude! You are like omnipresent.
Im not saying its wrong, i think its wasted words......
BUt anything with a Plural Company Name is way worse!

Did you know that Comair's actual callsign is 'Aaaannnnnd Comairs'?
 
bumblebee said:
yep . . . huh . . . only meee . . . I'm the one uh huh (in best cartoon voice)
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Nope, there's two of us. Like was mentioned, most of the time I don't know where we are in sequence or if ATC is thinking of squeezing us in front of the heavy since the little CRJ doesn't toss out wake turbulence, etc. I don't see anything wrong with saying "if it helps" or "when it helps," especially if it does. You can knock some time off a delayed flight this way sometimes.

You can also get burned. I flew with a CA that said this once coming into MEM on a downwind at 6000 feet.

"Flagship XXXX has the field if it helps"
"Flagship XXXX cleared visual approach runway 36L."

Now I had to drop 5000 feet, get the gear down, get the flaps out and get turned on final. Do-able, and fun a lot of times, but on the last leg of a 4 day on RR rest, I just wanna get home. For those of you guys looking to get into the CRJ THIS is one of those times it's easier without the AP than with it. :)
 
Kingairer said:
You get around dude! You are like omnipresent.
Im not saying its wrong, i think its wasted words......
BUt anything with a Plural Company Name is way worse!

Did you know that Comair's actual callsign is 'Aaaannnnnd Comairs'?
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I don't think it's plural man, it's posessive. As in this flight belongs to Comair. No less retarded. You can give them a dork check on the radio when you hear it. Get your captain/fo to help you. Next time someone makes a radio call like "aaaaand comairs 5333 blah blah blah," you can key the mic and say "dork check" then have your other pilot say "two." More radio chatter yeah, but it'll make you feel better...
 
ok WTF is a "dork check"? I've never heard that before. Must be a pinnacle thing? Is this something you do to guys wearing their iPods or spikey hair?
 
kellwolf said:
You can also get burned. I flew with a CA that said this once coming into MEM on a downwind at 6000 feet.

"Flagship XXXX has the field if it helps"
"Flagship XXXX cleared visual approach runway 36L."
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That's nothing, I've "heard" of people getting the visual at 20,000!!! :D
 
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