Atp Crj School
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3green
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uh yeah, that jet university program is even cheaper and a way better groundschool than the ATP CRJ transition program... 
Might want to do a search on Jet University before bringing it up. It starts to sound like your trolling when you go from talking about the CRJ transition program to Jet University after all these other experienced guys are trying to disuade you from doing it to begin with... my .02 cents
Might want to do a search on Jet University before bringing it up. It starts to sound like your trolling when you go from talking about the CRJ transition program to Jet University after all these other experienced guys are trying to disuade you from doing it to begin with... my .02 cents
:yeahthat: on both points.
EDUC8-or
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Sorry if I came accross as being mean. I think those of us who are at a 121 carrier and/or fly the CRJ are just trying to save you a pretty decent chunk of change. Lots of us were successful in ground school without the program and we understand the financial struggles of being a first year regional FO. I know I had a healthy savings account from my previous life and it helped with the additional expenses of things like a crashpad, a down payment on a home, and the unforseen emergencies such as car repairs.
My biggest advice to anyone going to their first airline would be to have a very firm grasp on the FARs and AIM, ESPECIALLY anything to do with instrument flying. I would tell them to get a current copy of the FAR/AIM and study up because your airline will expect you to know that when you show up for training. They will probably send you limitations and immediate action items before your class and you will be expected to know those as well. The rest they will teach you. I have begun the process to become a check airman at a 121 carrier and we expect people to know their instrument regs, how to fly an airplane, how to talk on the radios, good aeronautical judgement/decision making, and some situational awareness i.e. what's happening around your airplane. We are expected to teach how to use the automation and operate the CRJ. Good luck with your decision and remember we're just trying to help out.
My biggest advice to anyone going to their first airline would be to have a very firm grasp on the FARs and AIM, ESPECIALLY anything to do with instrument flying. I would tell them to get a current copy of the FAR/AIM and study up because your airline will expect you to know that when you show up for training. They will probably send you limitations and immediate action items before your class and you will be expected to know those as well. The rest they will teach you. I have begun the process to become a check airman at a 121 carrier and we expect people to know their instrument regs, how to fly an airplane, how to talk on the radios, good aeronautical judgement/decision making, and some situational awareness i.e. what's happening around your airplane. We are expected to teach how to use the automation and operate the CRJ. Good luck with your decision and remember we're just trying to help out.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
That is VERY Mesa specific. There is some good general stuff there, but unless you are going to Mesa, you are going to unlearning a lot of stuff.
The reason I am so against the RJ programs is that if a lot of people start doing it and the training departments find that these guys are learning the material quicker (because they are already been taught it once) then the airlines may start hiring ONLY guys that have he done the program. It ok YEARS for the PFT schemes that most airlines ran to go away. It's only recently that some airlines have started to pay people and house them during training. *If* these RJ programs catch on then it is taking a huge step back. You have money. Good for you. But the poor sucker who is barley making it CFIing doesn't, and should be refused a job just because he didn't pony up the money to get a certificate that says he knows the basics of the CRJ.
mxflyer
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Might not be a bad idea to understand FAR Part 25 which deals with the Airworthiness Standards of Transport Category Airplanes. This part regulates all aspects of aircraft construction including flight characteristics, structure quality, instruments, powerplants, operating limitations. You're right that the CRJ and ERJ are different. But when they are taken down to the basics, they're similair.
But that's a side point. Doesn't matter if you're flying an ERJ, CRJ or Saab 340. The point of the RJ is to teach primary guidelines that apply to most regionals. It's not CRJ specific
Not all airlines are as decent as SkyWest. They are still publishing high minimums. When they hire a pilot the intent is to hire that pilot. I know many excellent pilots that fly for them. I also know many good pilots that, for one reason or another, didn't get hired on with them. You can't assume that all airlines' philosophies are the same as SkyWest's.
There are airlines that have "lowered their minimums but their not standards." You can't expect a 250 hour pilot, with low multi time to be prepared to fly to the same standards as a 1000 hour pilot with enough multi time. You're right, it does cost a lot to train a pilot from start to finish. (the key word is finish) For some companies it's worth the cost to START a handful just to FINISH one.
Who said anything about airlines sending you training materials?? ATP sends you all the training materials. All I said is that ATP like the airlines want you to show up for training prepared. The RJ program gives you a taste of what ground school will be like. It's just as important to be mentally prepared for it as well as academically prepared. It's an important time in an aviation career.
mxflyer
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"mean about it." Consider your words and look at it this way. Our intentions are good that's true. We all know how rough this industry can be. We all want to help our fellow pilots; otherwise we wouldn't be on this forum. One thing you might be forgetting is that situations very. If my situation is exactly as yours then what you did might work for me. But no ones situation is the same. Some people trained in an enviroment that prepped them for the airlines since they've been in the air. CRJ school may not be worth it for them. Some learned to fly for fun, then after years of enjoying it decided to turn it into a career. CRJ school might be exactly what they need to help them in that transition.
You can't tell me that the money I spent which benefitted me and my career was a mistake.
Situations vary, and so do the solutions.
Airdale
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Don't take this the wrong way....but maybe you should stick to your business. A career as an airline pilot takes a lot of hard work, dedication and sacrificing. But of course I'm sure you'll say you know this, although it appears as though you haven't done much research based on your posts.
If you can't "take off" 2 months, then don't go to an airline. I don't know what kind of business you run, but goodluck trying to manage that while slugging it out in the trenches at a Regional airline making peanuts. I had a total of 8 days off in the month of May, it was 4 day trips with 2 days home back to back to back. I was getting called by crew scheduling on my DRIVE HOME on my OFF DAYS to drive back and cover another trip. You don't want too? Too bad, they junior man you and now you have no choice. In training, you won't have time to run a business. They are paying you to learn and learn fast. You're focus needs to be on ground school, not your business. And I hate to break it to you, but a CRJ course is NOT going to "help" you in 121 training. Its not. You're going to waste your money.
You need to listen to people on here. I suggest you do some more research, talk to some airline pilots and make a decision. If you choose to pursue this career, be prepared to give up a lot of things you enjoy, to fly airplanes around in the sky for less then $30k a year. Place like Jet U are only feeding you a line of BS. They just want your money and in return maybe you'll feel better, but the bottom line is they're selling your junk. I got hired at an airline with much less time then you and I didn't take a "CRJ" course.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
You answer calls from crew scheduling on off days? Just tell them you would be happy to take the trip but you just topped off your third vodka sour and could they call you back in twelve hours? 
Airdale
Well-Known Member
You answer calls from crew scheduling on off days? Just tell them you would be happy to take the trip but you just topped off your third vodka sour and could they call you back in twelve hours?
Certainly I will be disinclined to acquist their request on future phone calls, but I needed some time off for the wedding and subsequent honey moon. So in return for working days off, I shuffled days around to get a nice week off for the wedding. Now I just need two more days off in June to complete a 7 day honey moon. :yar:
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
Oooh la la, congratulations!!
RRPower
Well-Known Member
I am not going to argue with you because from your posts, you seem to have made up your mind and all you are doing is looking for at least one person to agree with you so you can justify it in your mind. That in itself is not a good way to start. I know the feeling you are going through. You are not sure you will be ready....well maybe you will and maybe you won't. To me it is not worth wasting 6K on a gamble. You are not even sure you will be hired.....
So this is how I see it. Go do your CRJ course, feel better about it but I will be out of my regionals ground/sim school by the time you finish it and flying the line while you still wait for a job interview. Now if you get hired and make it through their school, please post back whether you think anyone else should do it or not. What you are not understanding is that the people on JC have done just that. They have either done it or known someone to do it and are making their recomdendation to others on what they should do based on wehat they have found out. If you chose to ignore that, then be my guest to spend your money just to get a little peace of mind. Let us know how it works for you. CHEERS
So this is how I see it. Go do your CRJ course, feel better about it but I will be out of my regionals ground/sim school by the time you finish it and flying the line while you still wait for a job interview. Now if you get hired and make it through their school, please post back whether you think anyone else should do it or not. What you are not understanding is that the people on JC have done just that. They have either done it or known someone to do it and are making their recomdendation to others on what they should do based on wehat they have found out. If you chose to ignore that, then be my guest to spend your money just to get a little peace of mind. Let us know how it works for you. CHEERS
Bumblebee
Commodore
:yeahthat:I think this is a great suggestion! :yeahthat:
Or, if you don't want to do that I would suggest that you go get a job at an airline and spread the $6000 over several months to offset the reduction in pay. You will have to attend all of the training and there are differences between what ATP teaches and what the airline you end up with teaches. With your times, you do not need this course to get a job. The deal over at ATP is that they have agreements with some companys to take candidates with reduced minimums if they pass this course. I paid $1000.00 for it and would not do it again knowing what I know now.
blee256
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I had a really good understanding of the FMS from the begining, other students were asking me how to use it. And its all because of the garmin 430. If you are comfortable with that, you will pick up the FMS very quickly.
but if you really want to learn it, try to get a copy of the CD thats floating around from various airlines, or if you feel the need to spend some money ATP used to have a FMS course. I think its a one or 2 day course.
Trip7
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The thing that entices me about the jet program is the reduced minimums, particularly Republic. The 500TT minimum with the jetcourse is drastically lower than their standard minimum of 1000TT. To some that maybe worth the money. On the other other regionals like XJET the course only helps you get in slightly earlier at 500TT, where standard min is 1000TT. As far as a really cheap way to learn FMS systems, get a copy for FS2004 and buy a couple of aircraft addons such as Feelthere's E-145 or CRJ. If you want to really of big, go for PMDG's 747, 737 or Level-D's 767. These ultra realistic add-ons will teach you all about FMS's you want to know, manuals and all. But you won't get the reduced minimums:insane:
Stone Cold
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meyers9163
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Only typo was xjet is 600 without the course but with it you can get on with 500TT instead of the 600TT. So if you are smart and would like to go to xjet you might as well instruct an extra month and save yourself 2000.
Stone Cold
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Trip7
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:yeahthat: sorry mistyped XJET's TT req.