Things you hear on the radio...

TFaudree_ERAU

TFaudree_ERAU

Mashin' dem buttons
...late at night

Well, I think I've heard it all. On the way into to Opa Locka tonight around 11:15 pm, I'm talking to Miami approach but monitoring the OPF CTAF on the #2 comm. I hear a foreign (Chinese?) dialect making calls in reference to departing runway 12. I couldn't gather whether he was taxiing to the runway, on the runway, or just departed the runway. All the calls sounded the same, and all three ended with "ANY TRAFFIC PLEASE ADVISE". I was still 15 miles out, so I saw no need to reply to his "ANY TRAFFIC PLEASE ADVISE". After Miami dropped me off to UNICOM, I made a report on a 10 mile straight in to runway 12. No sooner did I unkey the mike, the other pilot transmitted that he was turning crosswind and for "ANY TRAFFIC PLEASE ADVISE". I couldn't help it but to shoot back with "I just did". A couple seconds later, another voice, obviously the instructor, keyed up and said "thank you" in a very sarcastic manner. Am I wrong in assuming that the phrase "ANY TRAFFIC PLEASE ADVISE" was nothing more than from rote memorization and the student really had no clue what he was saying.

THEN...on the way back north, the departure controller changed as I was crossing over Allegator Alley. It went from an obvious veteran to a guy that sounded like he feared for his life. I took it to be a trainee maybe working his first live traffic. About 10 north of the Alley, he told me to standby for a handoff to Miami Center. Three minutes later, I hadn't heard back from him, so I asked him if he wanted me to call center. The reply: "Flight Express 803, uh, yeah, contact Miami Center on one three two point foouuuuu..whats the frequency up there?". I thought maybe he was asking his instructor for some help, but 15 seconds later, nothing. I replied with "You mean one three two point four five for Flight Express 803" and he shot back with "Yeah, thats it, have a good night."

And this is only week three on the line. Can't wait to see what else happens in the future.
Thank goodness I do this every night. :sarcasm:...sorta
 
My instructor and I just covered this subject in my commercial training. I was trying to find the exact place in the FAR's where the exact phraseology is. Basically "Any traffic please advise" is not even supposed to be used any longer. You are suppose to state your call sign, position, intentions, and again the place your doing this. I remember this because I thought it was weird they would address and change this. I fly alot in class G airspace and around small airports. People say this a ll the time. It not only takes alot of time on the radio but it seems they don't even listen to the reply sometimes.
 
Actually the AIM has been updated and the term is NOT accempted prhaseology. I have this excerpt highlighted on my desk for all students. I'm at home, but I think its AIM 4-1-6.

Essentially it states that "Any traffic please advise" is a useless term (and it drives me nuts). If traffic has a radio at an uncontrolled field, they should be making position reports if they can (departure leg, crosswind, downwind, base final, on the 45, 5 and 10 miles out). If they do not have a radio, they can not make these reports.

So any traffic that can should be position reporting. The phrase is handed down by undereducated instructors, corporate pilots and others who have forgotten that what you say on the radio is heard by influencable students and weekend warriors picking up on what they hear and believing that it is acceptable.
 
moxiepilot said:
Actually the AIM has been updated and the term is NOT accempted prhaseology. I have this excerpt highlighted on my desk for all students. I'm at home, but I think its AIM 4-1-6.

Essentially it states that "Any traffic please advise" is a useless term (and it drives me nuts). If traffic has a radio at an uncontrolled field, they should be making position reports if they can (departure leg, crosswind, downwind, base final, on the 45, 5 and 10 miles out). If they do not have a radio, they can not make these reports.

So any traffic that can should be position reporting. The phrase is handed down by undereducated instructors, corporate pilots and others who have forgotten that what you say on the radio is heard by influencable students and weekend warriors picking up on what they hear and believing that it is acceptable.
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i was never taught to use that phrase, and when i get new students that use it, it bugs the crap out of me
 
moxiepilot said:
Actually the AIM has been updated and the term is NOT accempted prhaseology. I have this excerpt highlighted on my desk for all students. I'm at home, but I think its AIM 4-1-6.

Essentially it states that "Any traffic please advise" is a useless term (and it drives me nuts). If traffic has a radio at an uncontrolled field, they should be making position reports if they can (departure leg, crosswind, downwind, base final, on the 45, 5 and 10 miles out). If they do not have a radio, they can not make these reports.

So any traffic that can should be position reporting. The phrase is handed down by undereducated instructors, corporate pilots and others who have forgotten that what you say on the radio is heard by influencable students and weekend warriors picking up on what they hear and believing that it is acceptable.
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In an ideal world, yeah everybody should be making traffic reports, but we know that doesn't always happen. Using "please advise" in every call is showing that they only rotely memorized what they're doing, but I dont see anything wrong with it for the first call coming into an airport. I like to get a mental picture of what all is going on in there before I get too close to the pattern.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
In an ideal world, yeah everybody should be making traffic reports, but we know that doesn't always happen. Using "please advise" in every call is showing that they only rotely memorized what they're doing, but I dont see anything wrong with it for the first call coming into an airport. I like to get a mental picture of what all is going on in there before I get too close to the pattern.
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So you don't see anything wrong with doing something the AIM specifically forbids??
 
Stone Cold said:
My guess is he'll be there around 11:15 PM every night, M-Th.:bandit: Not sure where he's based out of, but sounds like he's been there a few times now.
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Actually, every Monday around 4 and every week night, M-F, between 10:50 and 11:15, depending on when my late couriers arrive at my base in Tampa. That, and the absurd headwinds recently.

You guys been having trouble on Alligator Alley lately? The past 3 nights I've flown over between the tollway and the rest area (?) there have been a half dozen emergency vehicles rushing west toward whatever it was that happened.

FiveO, I'll shoot you a PM.
 
My main point was that it was annoying as hell. Four radio transmissions in a one minute time frame, all ending in the debatable phrase. What purpose did it serve after the first time? Heck, I'll give him the second time for the benefit of a doubt.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
My main point was that it was annoying as hell. Four radio transmissions in a one minute time frame, all ending in the debatable phrase. What purpose did it serve after the first time? Heck, I'll give him the second time for the benefit of a doubt.
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that makes sense to me, there are people around here that do the same thing. there are also pilots here that will speak chinese to each other over the radio while in the pattern :(
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
You guys been having trouble on Alligator Alley lately? The past 3 nights I've flown over between the tollway and the rest area (?) there have been a half dozen emergency vehicles rushing west toward whatever it was that happened.
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There is always something going down on the Alley. Its never a minor accident out there either. It was either that or we were being sent to close parts of the alley because of smoke from the fires. I don't know if they are still burning out there but I have spent plenty of nights over the last few weeks keeping the road closed.

Thanks for the PM. I wrote you back.
 
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