Buying a 737 type rating won't guarantee you an interview. And by the way SWA is the highest paying airline right now, spending a few thousand for a type rating will probably be well worth investment if it does get you a job. I'd rather go to an airline that will pay me the most and requires a type rating than one that pays little and has no rating requirement.
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Buying a 737 type rating won't guarantee you an interview. And by the way SWA is the highest paying airline right now, spending a few thousand for a type rating will probably be well worth investment if it does get you a job. I'd rather go to an airline that will pay me the most and requires a type rating than one that pays little and has no rating requirement.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Wow, I coulda just cut and pasted the ad, ya know.
As far as being "airline oriented from day one....." I have to disagree. I had a couple of career students at Skymates, and I happened to have some ATP books. My instructor at Skymates was also an ATP grad, so I had that, too. So, what I did was.....well, made up my own little "airline" thing. We did call outs, flows, etc. So, it's not just ATP. Any Part 61 instructor can make an "airline focused" training program. Oh, and Skymates isn't PFT, either.
For the record, only about 2 people outta my ground school at PCL were ATP, and they just got their ME there, not the whole program. Curiously, everyone passed the ground school part. One of the ones that busted out in the sim was one of the ATP guys, though.....
There's plenty of ways to make it to the airlines, not just ATP. Not just JetU. For every ATP or JetU guy that makes it, there are probably 2 or more guys that DIDN'T go there. They just don't have the big website saying "HIRED!" to promote it.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Most?
Jet U's selling point is that they have a 100% hire and pass rate at Pinnacle (thus far).
You come out of Jet U having already done the entire Pinnacle new hire training program. If you already passed it once at Jet U, you'd have to be an idiot to fail out at Pinnacle's MEM training.
I agree ATP isn't the only way and certainly not the cheapest. You are paying more because they have a specialized training and multi engine time but in the end nothing is guaranteed. The difference between PFT and non PFT is that PFT gets you in at one airline, while the others will not even look at you with those qualifications. ie MAPD,Gulfstream, Jetu, etc.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Jet U, as my understanding, can get you interviews with another regional airline if you don't pass at Pinnacle. They haven't had that need since everyone has gotten hired at Pinnacle.
Don't lump MAPD or JetU with Gulfstream. Gulfstream is a whole different animal that is true PFT, pay-for-right-seat program.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Cherokee, the thing I'm not understanding is why would you pay $XX (I don't even know or want to know what JetU costs) to learn all of the 9E training stuff just to go sit through it again (and actually get paid that time)? It doesn't make sense to me. If you really don't think you can get through training with out the "extra" training to begin with maybe you should be thinking about a different career.
(and by YOU I don't me YOU... I mean the greater "you" as in one.)
(and by YOU I don't me YOU... I mean the greater "you" as in one.)
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Cherokee, the thing I'm not understanding is why would you pay $XX (I don't even know or want to know what JetU costs) to learn all of the 9E training stuff just to go sit through it again (and actually get paid that time)? It doesn't make sense to me. If you really don't think you can get through training with out the "extra" training to begin with maybe you should be thinking about a different career.
(and by YOU I don't me YOU... I mean the greater "you" as in one.)
I understand, but I'm speaking from a low timer point of view (like myself), I would not want to risk failing out.
In another month or so, I will have the mins for PSA and TSA. Both are pretty much C/I/ME and TSA wants 250/25ME.
I'll have that in a month, but would I apply?
Heck no! I don't want to risk going in and starting training in a Part 121 carrier with only 250 hours and no other experience (eg, CFI, or a jet course).
If you're a CFI with 500-1000 hours total, you're probably set and will not need a CRJ transition course before hand.
But with only 250 hours, C/I/ME, no CFI, then I think my background is way too limited to want to just apply to TSA, or PSA, and hope to pass first time.
Doing a CRJ course before hand would do wonders to boost confidence and knowing what to expect of the training that's about to come at the airline. I would think that if you at least get your hands wet beforehand in a CRJ course, you're much more likely to pass through the first time at the airline. You'll already know the callouts, flows, emergency procedures, etc. In a sense, you're doing your part to ensure you can pass the first time.
Again, this is the viewpoint of a low time pilot. If I was a CFI with 500-1000 hours total time, I wouldn't do a CRJ course, I'd apply straight to the airlines and head on over with no prior CRJ course.
ComplexHiAv8r
Well-Known Member
Trust me when I say I have thought about this, but I would rather go and fail then to pay for training that I most likely do not need. Even if you wash out, you can reapply and use the experience to learn what you need work on.
Thats my .02
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Whoa, wait a minute... isn't washing out of an initial Part 121 regional a career stopper for at least 5 years?
Something about how that goes down on your record, and the next airline you apply to can see your record (PRIA), and then not hire you because of your failure?
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Okay, I'll ask the unasked question here.....why the rush? Why is it worth $20K plus to get on at an airline a few months early? And I do mean MONTHS in most cases. There are long lines of guys that went to airline ground schools without these programs, and they're still flying in the right seat today. The thing I think a lot of people forget is the airline WANTS you to pass. If you don't, they're out a ton of money and have to start over again with someone else. I know in my ground school there was a LOT of extra stuff available to help you out. There were some guys that SHOULDN'T have passed, but they did. As for the sims, well, a CRJ course at ATP or JetU or anywhere else really can't help you there.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Uh, no. Especially not in today's environment.....
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Alright guys, fine, I'll admit it. I do have the money sitting there, all $27k. Everyone that I've talked to who has done a transition course passed all the airline training. That sort of familiarity just seems like a good idea before heading for the first-ever airline training event at a regional.
Could I invest it into retirement in a 401k?
Sure, but that assumes I will live to age 65, but lets face it, a drunk driver will take me out before then.
Could I invest it into retirement in a 401k?
Sure, but that assumes I will live to age 65, but lets face it, a drunk driver will take me out before then.
ComplexHiAv8r
Well-Known Member
Not at the momment! 6months maybe!
Alright guys, fine, I'll admit it. I do have the money sitting there, all $27k. Everyone that I've talked to who has done a transition course passed all the airline training. That sort of familiarity just seems like a good idea before heading for the first-ever airline training event at a regional.
Could I invest it into retirement in a 401k?
Sure, but that assumes I will live to age 65, but lets face it, a drunk driver will take me out before then.
Are you truely debt free??? I would reduce any and all debts. Also, you will need some of that money for the first couple years to offset any expenses above income.
I would get more TT getting experience in the system until you feel you are ready for that 121 position. If you are already there, I would go for it then, not after doing a 13 week program!
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Yup, I am debt free. I've always paid-as-I-go, and swore that I would never ever take loans to fly.
Anyway, even after doin a course like that, I'll still have 3 grand in my own personal savings, which is completely different and set aside from the CRJ course money I have saved.
That 3k will be used to help supplement the first year low pay at a regional.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Smitt, who's that chic in your avatar?
wrxpilot
New Member
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Mercury commercial?!?
Suddenly, she's ugly to me now...
Couldn't she have been with a more reputable auto brand?
Suddenly, she's ugly to me now...
Couldn't she have been with a more reputable auto brand?
ComplexHiAv8r
Well-Known Member
First, CONGRATS on being debt free. I could not imagine starting in this career with a large debt. I got out of college with only owing $8,000, which I paid off as fast as I could. I have paid flying as I went, which has also been slower along with keeping a full-time job, but I have no regrets at this point.