Republic Hires 430 Hr Pilot!

That doesn't mean their right does it? I know many part 121 pilots that back me up. After all, doesn't ATP send pilots to the regionals?

It was ALOT tougher to get a job back then when you were looking. Now regionals are begging people to come fly.

Yowza, where to start.

First, rules of engagement, I'm only going to do this if you don't 'yeah, but' me. Agreed? I'm short on time and I haven't the time to devote to somehow proving to you that my opinion has any weight. And I'm basing this all on mental notes from your perspectives in other threads.

Let me know how you'd like to proceed.
 
OK, I see now.


Yeah, it was pretty intense. The Oral wasn't all that bad though. I don't think I missed anything at the beginning and he then eased up on me. I think the oral was about 30-40 min or so.

The flight on the other hand, VOR, GPS, and an ILS all within about 10 miles of each other... Fun stuff!
 
Perhaps this might sum my thoughts up best without pointing at any one thing.

A Primary training plane is a primary trainer you can fly it at any FBO or any mom and pop place, any University program or any accelerated program. A Cessna is a cessna a piper is a piper.

An advance trainer is an advance trainer, you can fly any Seminole or Dutchess at a lot of the same places and learn the basics about it and pass a checkride easily with this same plane.

A 450 pilot or a 600 pilot is a 600 pilot! Yes there might be a "slight" difference between them in the way they opperate or the way they fly but the bottom line is that 450 pilot regardless of where they learned to fly is a 450 hour pilot.

Back to one last point, it was pointed out "put your resume in at 450 and see if you get a call." So is the argument that a 450 hour pilot isnt the same as another 450 hour pilot? I mean just looking at the paper they are the same and therefore there's a great chance it doesnt matter where they traing both in the end are sitll 450 HOUR pilots with the same experience hour wise.

Last point is that yes if I got a call at low times I might very well be willing to take it. Yet I know right now where I sit I can say I will be very hesitant to take a job with less then the hours I feel comfortable with trainisitiong with. I have my college degree, i have real world experience, I have my flight certificates but the thing is at such low times I KNOW i am not nearly ready yet. And the only way is to get my hours up and get some more real experience before I make a leap.
 
He knows that. ALOT better than you. I think you should look around a little and see what the world is really like. It's not always just like ATP.

And honestly that's my short-tempered way of saying, "Welcome to the industry", you'll learn ALOT when you get out into the real world. Trust me, you'll see.
 
Two years ago I think that ATP was possibly worth the price that they charge. When the airlines weren't hiring, and ATP had reduced mins that got some people in the door ahead of others I can certainly see where that would be an advantage. But let's face the truth of the current situation. You can get on with almost any regional now with 500 hours. Why spend all of that cash on ATP?

Most good regionals you need 100ME to get in. This is where many potential regional pilots get held up, especially at my university. They are stuck at 25ME. At ATP you don't have that problem. How you spend your money on training comes down personal choice. Somethings are worth the money to others while for some its a waste. Personally, I feel ATP was worth every penny and i'm very satisfied with my past and future training. When it comes down to it, we are all pursuing the same thing, to be safe doing the job we love, and to be paid well doing it. I'm callin it a night:)
 
Yowza, where to start.

First, rules of engagement, I'm only going to do this if you don't 'yeah, but' me. Agreed? I'm short on time and I haven't the time to devote to somehow proving to you that my opinion has any weight. And I'm basing this all on mental notes from your perspectives in other threads.

Let me know how you'd like to proceed.

Agreed, go ahead
 
Most good regionals you need 100ME to get in. This is where many potential regional pilots get held up, especially at my university. They are stuck at 25ME. At ATP you don't have that problem. How you spend your money on training comes down personal choice. Somethings are worth the money to others while for some its a waste. Personally, I feel ATP was worth every penny and i'm very satisfied with my past and future training. When it comes down to it, we are all pursuing the same thing, to be safe doing the job we love, and to be paid well doing it. I'm callin it a night:)

Sure thing, ATP is a good school, but you can do it for cheaper is all.
 
Reason#2-Irrelevent, newbies are not negotiating contracts, selected senior pilots are

Arrgh. If you don't understand how a never-ending supply of super-low-time pilots who are thrilled just to be in a jet has a negative effect on contract negociations, and how management *might* like that, well...uhh....:(

Reason#3-What aggressive marketing are you talking about that you can't stand? Everything they say is the truth.

It's pretty clear that you're not going to listen to anyone else, but there's *plenty* of misleading information on ATP's site.

How about this:
Airline hiring partnership letters with American Eagle, Atlantic Southeast Airlines, Colgan Air, Comair, ExpressJet, Pinnacle Airlines, PSA, Republic Airways, SkyWest and Trans States Airlines offer reduced flight time requirements (500 TT & 100 ME) to ATP graduates in recognition of the outstanding training and experience they receive at ATP.

Sure sounds like they're saying they'll get you hired at Skywest with 500/100, but if you look a little farther you'll see that they don't offer any real reduced mins there. Of course, they say that in the fine print buried later on...I guess I sort of know how Doug felt when his employer's name may or may not have been used to promote a certain flight school.

The real reason ATP grads are hired: Reputation. Airlines want to hire someone who will pass training so they don't waste money. Their statistics probably show ATP grads have a high rate of success because of their previous training.

Keep telling yourself that...and make sure to tell the captains you fly with how much you deserve to be in the right seat with 400hrs, and how your superior your training was.
 
Agreed, go ahead

No school can guarantee you anything.

The worst thing you can do for yourself is choose a school based upon what you think they're going to promise you and then meander aimlessly with an entitlement complex when no one's calling you.

In the airline business, largely no one cares where you've trained. We don't sit around the simulator break room talking about flight training institutions, we're talking about previous experience.

Choose a flight training environment (FBO, Academy, some-dude-with-a-cessna) based upon your learning style and amount of organization you're willing to pay for/deal with -- NOT for what anyone is promising you.

I went to Riddle, I spent five years being told that I attended the Harvard of the skies, that I was the best of the best of the best and that (at the time) United was going to be beating down my dorm room at any time begging me to join their airline.

Not so.

Here's the key to a successful civilian aviation career start:

a. Pick a flight school that best matches the training environment you're looking for. If you'd like to be casual and be spoonfed material, I wouldn't suggest an accelerated program. If you're not a self-starter, you might want to choose a more casual environment.

b. This sounds brash and may to upset you, but learn to ask more questions, keep your opinion to yourself and listen to guidance, even though it may be 180 degrees from what your preconceived notions are. Do you see me preaching to Staplegun about flying the ER? No? Why the heck are you preaching to Zmiller about regional flying?

c. Network. The same regional/narrowbody FO you're saying is full of bunk in this thread has a 99% chance of being the guy you're going to be begging for a letter of recommendation from or sitting right across the interview table from.

Turn down the rhetoric, open you mind. Be open to seasoned opinions that may not match with how you think professional aviation works.

We're here to help you, not reinforce your misconceptions.
 
How many times did you solo in one of those Seminoles?
How many hours did you ACTUALLY SPEND FLYING the Seminole?
How many hours of Solo time did you get?

There is a lot to be said about flying solo. I learned a ton by going and flying by myself in Class B, Class C, 800 mile cross country flights etc. It different when there isn't somebody there to help you. That to me is when you learn to be a PIC, manage your workload, make decisions. Just a thought, again ATP is a proven program, but there are other ways to meet the same goal.
 
Remember, they're not dropping mins because there's an explosion of air travel... :)
 
zmiller4 said:
777forever said:
The real reason ATP grads are hired: Reputation. Airlines want to hire someone who will pass training so they don't waste money. Their statistics probably show ATP grads have a high rate of success because of their previous training.

Keep telling yourself that...and make sure to tell the captains you fly with how much you deserve to be in the right seat with 400hrs, and how your superior your training was.

Exactly. Boy he has a distorted view.

777Forever, I'm certainly not against you. I fell for the "You need Multi Training" hype too. I went to Ari-Ben, I've got 200 hours of Multi. But if you think that if you go to an airline interview with 500TT/140Multi and you did your training at ATP, and your think you have an advantage over the FBO guy who has 500TT/100 Multi, I think you're sadly mistaken. It really sounds like you bought into the ATP marketing.
 
Remember, they're not dropping mins because there's an explosion of air travel... :)


Exactly! From everything I have learn't from my time here on JC it's because the "Big Wigs" running these airlines understand the passion that we pilot's have and use it to manipulate us into working for lower pay. They know that a large number of the new pilots will have SJS to some degree and that is who they are targeting.
The ever lowering conditions of the industry and the increasing cost of flight training is what seems to be causing this problem. People are starting to awaken to the true conditions and realizing what the job truly entails. Hopefully the airlines will eventually reach the point where they will have no choice but to increase pay and QOL or risk losing it all.
 
Exactly. Boy he has a distorted view.

777Forever, I'm certainly not against you. I fell for the "You need Multi Training" hype too. I went to Ari-Ben, I've got 200 hours of Multi. But if you think that if you go to an airline interview with 500TT/140Multi and you did your training at ATP, and your think you have an advantage over the FBO guy who has 500TT/100 Multi, I think you're sadly mistaken. It really sounds like you bought into the ATP marketing.


Dam SmiityB. We must be on the same wavelenght or something. Starting our post with the same word.:laff:
 
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