Explaining in the simplest manner the power curve.

CaptainChris87

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I was curious if anyone in here would know a simple and technical way to teach and explain to a private level student why exactly do we "pitch for airspeed, power for altitude" when behind the "power curve" or when making an approach to landing?-thanks
 
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I am no CFI, but the way I think of it in my head is that in ALL phases of flight, the elevator is really the "angle of attack" control and whether or not you will go up or down (or how FAST you go up or down) will essentially depend on power. Give the book "Stick and Rudder" a read, you'll like it.
 
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You have no idea what you are starting. There is a large contingent who are convinced that, at least for approach for landing, it's pitch for altitude and power for airspeed. Each side of the debate is absolutely convinced that it knows the one true way.
 
Re: Explaining in the simplest mannar the power curve.

I was curious if anyone in here would know a simple and technical way to teach and explain to a private level student why exactly do we "pitch for airspeed, power for altitude" when behind the "power curve" or when making an approach to landing?-thanks

AOA (not pitch, per se) always controls airspeed, front or backside of the power curve. The reason why it's emphasized when behind the power curve is that you can get it confused on the front side of the curve and still make the airplane do what you want, but the backside of the curve is unforgiving.

And no, this isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of physics and mathematics. Pilots argue about this, but aeronautical engineers do not, because it's well understood by anyone who leaves Aerodynamics 101, or else they stay there. :)

I can and do teach this to privates, and I make sure that CFI candidates can do so as well, but it's not an easy thing to present effectively. You have to understand it very, very well, or you will confuse yourself as well as the student.
 
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I will post the link to this article

http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182148-1.html

but since it requires registration, here's the wisdom of John Deakin, explaining it in lay terms way better than my BS in Aerospace Eng can.



March 31, 2002
Pelican's Perch #54:
Pitch, Power, and Pink Elephants

Every primary student is taught that power controls altitude and pitch controls airspeed — or was that power controls airspeed and pitch controls altitude? Truth is that pilots have been arguing about this since Orville and Wilbur debated the question over a couple of beers at Kitty Hawk. AVweb's John Deakin (who claims to have been there at the time) weighs in on this issue by offering some real-world scenarios and taking a look at how modern autopilots work.

By John Deakin



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John Deakin is a 35,000-hour pilot who worked his way up the aviation food chain via charter, corporate, and cargo flying; spent five years in Southeast Asia with Air America; 33 years with Japan Airlines, mostly as a 747 captain; and now flies the Gulfstream IV for a West Coast operator.

He also flies his own V35 Bonanza (N1BE) and is very active in the warbird and vintage aircraft scene, flying the C-46, M-404, DC-3, F8F Bearcat, Constellation, B-29, and others. He is also a National Designated Pilot Examiner (NDPER), able to give type ratings and check rides on 43 different aircraft types.

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I've long promised myself I'd never get in this argument again. I have resisted manfully (is that sexist?) Every time I start to say something on this subject, I cover my ears and start the usual mantra, "Pink elephants, pink elephants…" trying to avoid even thinking about it.
It's a little like the time we took off from Los Angeles for Brazil, and got an unusual routing due to a major storm over Central America. As soon as we checked in with Los Angeles Center, the clearance came, "Japanair 64, cleared direct to El Paso, flight plan route."
Very nice, I always enjoy those long, direct routes. They really don't save much time or fuel, but they sure do feel good. We punched it into the main computer (the old, archaic PMS, for those who like such details), verified the latitude and longitude, and away we went on autopilot, controlled by our triple INS system.
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It was too early in the flight to sleep (I used to try very hard to stay awake at least to top of climb) or eat (company policy was that the passengers came first), so we sat back, relaxed, chatted a bit, and the copilot whistled a few bars of that old Marty Robbins tune. You know the one, I'm NOT going to even mention the name of it (pink elephants, pink elephants), but it's the one about the (pink elephants, pink elephants) Mexican maiden and pink elephants.
I immediately howled in protest, covered my ears, and started the mantra, but it was too late. That damned catchy little tune was, once again, imprinted in my mind, and it took me weeks to get it out. Pretty sure I can remember hearing it first (pink elephants, pink elephants) from the airport restaurant jukebox in Sarasota, Florida, in 1956, where I hung out a lot mooning over the lovely Donna Miller, the daughter of the restaurant owner, Annie. I was about 16 and Donna was about 14 and I was in love. Never even got up to bat, much less to first base, but that is another story. I wonder where she is now….



The Ancient Argument ...


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That same time frame is also about the time I first heard the ancient airport argument, probably started by Orville and Wilbur, over whether pitch (elevator) or power (throttle) controls speed or altitude.
My efforts to avoid the subject have mostly worked, but no less than three readers, almost simultaneously, have asked me for my thoughts on this. Since I've only GOT three readers, I suspect collusion, probably incited by someone who knows my antipathy for this subject.
Alas, like the song, the imprint is now there. Perhaps I can help clear it by writing about it. This may also serve the purpose of preventing me from criticizing the FAA, thereby keeping me more or less out of trouble for another month.
You've all heard the arguments, always good for getting the local pilot's lounge into an uproar. Depending on my mood, I usually giggle when it comes up yet again, but then I get a little depressed at some of the junk I hear.
From hearing the CFIs talk about it, you'd think every time a crop duster pulls up for his reversal at the end of the pass, he's thinking, "Okay, remember now, pitch controls power, and altitude controls airspeed." Well, something like that. I can never remember which is which, myself.
All seriousness aside, let's look at a few scenarios.


... Over Which Controls What


Take the fellow in the trainer, at the end of the runway. Runup done, cleared for takeoff, he's sitting there pumping the yoke in and out, working up a sweat. The tower calls, and says, "Say, we notice your elevator is flapping, is there a problem?"
"No problem," (breathing heavily), "my instructor says that the elevator controls speed, and I'm trying to get some, so I can add throttle and get some altitude."
Folks, it is my firm belief that thousands of student pilots and CFIs (same thing) have been unnecessarily confused by this worthless, STUPID argument, and all the verbiage behind it. Even the FAA … (Ooops, I promised I wouldn't say anything bad about the FAA. Nevermind, but check out some of the knowledge tests.)
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The fact is, these "rules" are not rules at all, and they are more often wrong than right. Yes, they are right sometimes, but if you buy off on them, then you have to memorize all the exceptions. Why not throw the whole stupid argument out, and look at things rationally, intuitively, sensibly?
Assume you're in stable, level flight, constant speed. Your instructor says to increase your speed by 10 knots, while maintaining altitude. Even a moron isn't going to have to think twice about this, he'll add power, there just ain't any other way to get there from here. As the airplane picks up speed, a by-product will be a change in trim, and a small correction with the trim tab would be good. I don't see how anyone can stretch that into the pitch controlling the speed, that's getting the elephant…, er, the cart before the horse, when it should be the other way around.
What if you're in a power-off glide, and the CFI says to increase speed? Simple enough, you pitch down a bit to increase your speed, just as driving down a steeper hill will do the same in your car.
Look at a boundary condition. Your evil instructor is having you practice slow flight. The FAA today defines "slow flight," or "flight at minimum controllable airspeed" as flight at 120% of the stall in some places, or 10 knots above stall in others. That's kinda wussy, we used to have to get right down to the stall, and maneuver there, but never mind, we've got to be safe, and politically correct, and that's fine for check rides, that PTS keeps the Inspectors and Examiners from getting carried away.
But if you're lucky enough to find a CFI that isn't scared to death of any speed less than that, he may have you slow to a real minimum speed, and at some point, you'll note that you have to use more power to maintain that speed, while also maintaining altitude. This is the famous "back side of the power curve," where it takes more power to go slower. Some confuse this further, and call it the "area of reverse command," and the result is often a confused student who comes away from that very scary lesson thinking, "Gosh, if I add more power, I'll go slower."
No, that isn't the lesson. It's simply a demonstration that as you fly slower and slower, the airplane is plowing through the air just like a speedboat that is going too slowly will plow through the water, using lots of power. Like the speedboat, if you add some power and get it "planing," you'll need less power to maintain speed (and altitude).
(And no, dear reader, this has nothing to do with the equally stupid OWT (Old Wives' Tale) about "The Step" at cruise power. There is no such thing, but that's another story, too.)
If you're really gentle, and the air is really smooth, you can slow the airplane down enough that it will require full power to maintain the speed and altitude, but this is a very delicate balancing act indeed. How do you get out of this? You must pitch down, give up a little altitude, pick up a little airspeed, and fly it out. Some STOL aircraft use this technique, making a very steep, very slow, high-power approach for that last few moments, perhaps even adding an extra shot of power to arrest most of the descent rate at touchdown. Done properly, this is a COMBINATION of pitch and power to produce a speed and descent rate (and angle), and that is key to this whole discussion. You must use a combination of aircraft controls to produce the desired result!


Deus ex Machina


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Lots of airplanes now have autopilots that can make the ILS approach look disgustingly easy, and autothrottles to control the thrust. Guess what the autothrottle computers react to? Why, errors in SPEED, of course. If the speed drops a bit below the selected speed, the autothrottles move forward, and if too fast, the autothrottles move back. Pretty simple, to me. As an entirely separate matter, if the airplane goes a hair above the glide slope, the first action by the autopilot is to pitch down to return to that path. If that changes the speed, fine, then the autothrottles correct for that as a secondary reaction, but that's often too quick to observe. That all seems to be proper design to me, and it mirrors EXACTLY what a human pilot would do, intuitively!
What if you're climbing? Presumably you have some specific power set, so you can't (or don't want to) change that, right? Well, since no power adjustment is available, the only control left is pitch, and sure enough, you'll adjust the pitch with the elevator to hold the speed you want, whatever that may be, and take whatever altitude or climb rate that gives you. That's not rocket science, and you don't have to memorize a couple of rules (and exceptions) to figure that out, do you?
What happens on a go-around? With a modern autopilot, the pilot pushes the TOGA button ("Takeoff/Go-Around"), and several things happen in quick-time. First, the autopilot pitches the airplane to the initial go-around attitude (usually a fixed angle for the type), and the autothrottles come up to full ("Go Around") thrust. Then almost immediately, the autopilot changes to a speed mode, and controls airspeed with the pitch/elevator. That's exactly what a human pilot does in the climb (in a jet)!


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Jets often descend at idle thrust, thrust levers all the way back against the idle stops. What's controlling speed and altitude? Well, if you want to maintain a given speed (let's say 340 knots), you control it with the elevator (on autopilot), and take whatever descent rate that gives you. That's a little willy-nilly, because it's not possible to predict the winds during descent from FL450, it's not an exact science, and you'll need to make adjustments on the way down. Some of us like to play games and make minor adjustments on the way down, others just bomb on down at 340 knots, and make larger corrections as needed when they reach the bottom. Doesn't make much difference, either way, in time or fuel, but the former does show a little finesse.
One common method of tracking this is to knock off the three trailing digits of the altitude above the airport (for a sea-level airport, 45,000 becomes 45), and multiply that by three (getting 135) for the approximate correct distance from the airport to start down.
(Note this gives "air miles," or the distance to fly. If you're on a vector for an ILS landing in the opposite direction, that usually adds about 30 air miles to the descent.)
At 20,000 feet, you should be roughly 60 miles from touchdown. Now, suppose you pass the 60-mile point at 340 knots, and you find yourself at 22,000? That means you're about 2,000 feet high (or six miles "too close.") What do you do? The ham-fisted will simply pull on the speed brake lever, making a bit of vibration (sometimes more than a bit), to get back on profile. The more artful will pitch down a bit, and run the speed up to 360 knots. That gives a momentary increase in rate of descent while accelerating, which helps kill the altitude, but more importantly, as you stabilize at the new speed, the overall drag will be higher. Drag rises proportionally as the square of the speed, so a small increase in speed gives a larger increase in drag. That 2,000 feet of excess altitude will melt away pretty quickly. Conversely, if you're "too low," pitch up a bit, slow to 300 knots for the correction, and all of this will be imperceptible to the paying passengers.
Modern computers in glass cockpits do this very nicely, in what they call "VPATH" mode. The computer literally draws a line from "here, at this altitude," to "there, at that altitude," and no matter how many turns and kinks in the track there are on the way down, that "vertical path" will be perfect, and will be flown at the proper (or selected) speed. By default, the computer will use "optimum" speeds to 10,000 feet, then 250 knots below that. What's the automation doing? Why, it is controlling the vertical path with pitch, and the speed with thrust!


Everything Controls Everything


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There is another factor that confuses the dogmatic. Some airplanes will change pitch directly, with power (or thrust) alone! If the tailfeathers are in the propwash, the extra air blowing over them will increase the "down lift," and the nose will pitch up from that alone. Some airplanes, like the 747, have the "center of thrust" well below the "center of drag," (due to the low-slung, pod-mounted engines), and an increase in thrust pitches the nose up quite noticeably, without any extra air going over the tailfeathers.
As Karl Malden used to say on TV, "What do you do? What DO you DO?"
You simply use all available controls to accomplish your overall purpose. That can be as simple as pitching up or down to correct a small altitude excursion in cruise flight (pitch controls altitude), or a small reduction in fuel flow (power) to slow to a more efficient, long-range cruise condition (throttle controls speed). Or, it can be very complex, to comply with "Descend to 8,000 feet, cross WUSSY at FL 250 or above, FANNY at FL 210 or below, maintain Mach 0.84 until passing FL350, then slow to 270 knots until further advised, expect holding at HEAVN, with a further clearance in October, squawk 1234, change to my frequency 123.45, and the altimeter is 30.12, good day." Now that's a challenge, even for the FMS!
Oh, and the next time you hear the local airport bums arguing about which controls which, just toss in, "Everyone knows pitch controls power, and speed controls altitude," and walk out. That'll raise the heat a few degrees.
Or do like I do, just cover your ears, and start chanting "Pink elephants, pink elephants."
 
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the wisdom of John Deakin, explaining it in lay terms way better than my BS in Aerospace Eng can.
John Deakin is not an engineer and he doesn’t really have any more insight into this topic than, say, a student pilot. He offers the correct but useless advice that you generally have to manipulate both throttle and yoke to get what you want. No kidding!!

When I drive my car around the corner, I have to manipulate the throttle and steering wheel, but each control still has separate functions. Skill comes with understanding what each control does and then putting them together to accomplish some goal. In fact, that’s pretty much how any sort of education is best accomplished…you learn concepts in isolation and then learn to combine them. But when you run into a problem with application, stepping back and breaking down your actions can often help you figure out where you’re going wrong.

Deakin also implicitly makes the argument that since he doesn’t fully understand “what does what” that no one else does either. I label that sort of view as “pro-ignorance”. By reciting this old saw

Take the fellow in the trainer, at the end of the runway. Runup done, cleared for takeoff, he's sitting there pumping the yoke in and out, working up a sweat. The tower calls, and says, "Say, we notice your elevator is flapping, is there a problem?"

"No problem," (breathing heavily), "my instructor says that the elevator controls speed, and I'm trying to get some, so I can add throttle and get some altitude."

he makes a statement almost as ridiculous as asking “if the world is really round, how come we don’t fall off?”

For those who do not wish to understand, you can always find apologists who will provide some rationale of why you shouldn’t exert yourself, and Deakin is playing that role in this instance. However, there is a science to this and “what controls what” was well-understood by the aerodynamic community since even before the Wright Brothers flew. For those willing to invest the time and effort to understand, there is great satisfaction that comes from knowing exactly how and why the airplane responds to your control inputs. And I believe this is particularly important for flight instructors, who job it is to help students interpret their observations.

One of the greatest crimes a teacher can commit, in my opinion, is to tell a student "You don't need to know that."
 
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I was curious if anyone in here would know a simple and technical way to teach and explain to a private level student why exactly do we "pitch for airspeed, power for altitude" when behind the "power curve" or when making an approach to landing?-thanks

Well, you can pitch for airspeed or altitude on either side of the power curve. I think you know that though. On the back side of the power curve you're going to need more power to do either because of the high amount of drag produced...i.e. the slower you go...the more power you need to maintain glideslope or airspeed.

From a practical standpoint, and my personal preference, there are two issues to the answerto the question I believe you are asking. 1) What input gives you the most direct control over the parameter needing precision control and 2) what input is the smoothest and most comfortable for the passengers.

An Electronic Glideslope. Here you need small, precise, and timely control inputs to track a narrow course. Use elevator control to make the needed changes to maintain the glideslope. If the airspeed begins to stray...make small power changes to maintain your desired airspeed. (Using power changes to track the ILS glideslope would be inappropriate because it does not react as timely, minutely, or directly as elevator pitch control.) As previously pointed out...this is how the autopilot does it...and every professional pilot I've ever flown with.

Visual Approach. Here you can typically make smoother control inputs by varying pitch control to maintain your airspeed. Since you can see the runway, you should be able to make fine power adjustments to correct for your descent path. An acceptable "in the slot" approach path for a visual approach can vary by a wider margin than on the electronic ILS glideslope...and minute pitch inputs are not as critical. Therefore, for passenger comfort....pitching for airspeed and using power for glideslope is my recommendation.
 
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Well, you can pitch for ... or altitude on either side of the power curve.

Only if you want reversed controls on the backside of the power curve. They don't call it the "Region of reversed command" for nothing. ;)

On the back side of the power curve you're going to need more power to do either because of the high amount of drag produced...i.e. the slower you go...the more power you need to maintain glideslope or airspeed.

Ah, so you agree after all that you can't pitch for altitude on the backside of the power curve.


Use elevator control to make the needed changes to maintain the glideslope...this is how the autopilot does it...and every professional pilot I've ever flown with.

Sure, but the reason it works is that small AOA changes move the aircraft back and forth along the power required curve, creating changes in excess power, hence changing the descent rate. This only works on the front side of the power curve.
 
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John Deakin is not an engineer and he doesn’t really have any more insight into this topic than, say, a student pilot. He offers the correct but useless advice that you generally have to manipulate both throttle and yoke to get what you want. No kidding!!

I wouldn't say that this advice is by any means useless. He might not be an engineer, but he does have over 35,000 hours and the ability to give type ratings in 43 different aircraft. I think he has a little bit more of an understanding then a "student pilot".

I looked at your Concepts of Flight page. It is good, but the "student pilot" is not going to understand each statement, and will ask "why" after every statement you make. So before calling Deakin an "apologist" you might want to write some thing on your website that explains your point of view a little better.

Deakin also implicitly makes the argument that since he doesn’t fully understand “what does what” that no one else does either


I never read where he said he didn't fully understand "what did what". In fact he goes on to list several scenerios of what does what and why. Maybe not well enough for an aero engineering class, but well enough for a private pilot.

I think he wrote a pretty decent article that explains things very well. You even try to explain the exact things he is talking about in your last post. But yet you say that the article is not explaining the argument properly. I really don't get what you trying to say. Other then you have an aerospace enginerring back ground. Not trying to pick a fight, I just think you were pretty harsh.
 
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I know Deakin. I think he's a good man. He's a bit of a maverick, always has been, and prides himself in that. He is entertaining almost always. He's not always right, and having 35,000 hours or not, that doesn't make him right!

While he is certainly imparting practical advice, I agree with TGrayson that there is no excuse not to teach it right the first time. The physics are the physics, and the actual physics have been explained in this thread. The "dumbing" down of the topics is worse than just saying "I don't know the answer". It is not helpful in the long run, and, again, is one of the main problems in General Aviation. Always brings me back to the inane things you hear in G.A. about how lift is created, or how stability works or, for that matter, most technical and non-technical topics.
 
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Only if you want reversed controls on the backside of the power curve. They don't call it the "Region of reversed command" for nothing. ;)



Ah, so you agree after all that you can't pitch for altitude on the backside of the power curve.




Sure, but the reason it works is that small AOA changes move the aircraft back and forth along the power required curve, creating changes in excess power, hence changing the descent rate. This only works on the front side of the power curve.



I was referring to altitude as maintaining an approach path or glideslope...as alluded to in the original post. Not maintaining a constant altitude. Front side or back side of the power curve...while approaching to land and unless stalled...the elevator can provide a method of manuevering to a defined path. Of course, the power requirements will vary and work in concert with pitch. You may need to "hang the speed on the prop"...but vertical path will still respond to pitch inputs.
 
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However, there is a science to this and “what controls what” was well-understood by the aerodynamic community since even before the Wright Brothers flew. For those willing to invest the time and effort to understand, there is great satisfaction that comes from knowing exactly how and why the airplane responds to your control inputs.


I happen to have a great understanding of how control inputs act on an aircraft. Throttle controls thrust which changes airspeed, and pitch controls AOA which controls climb and descent. Granted, excess thrust enables you to have the capability to climb to a higher altitude, but it is NOT what "controls" that climb.

Back side of the power curve really does not change how you "control" anything, it just means thjat it takes a higher power setting to maintain a slower airspeed at a constant flightpath angle. If you hold a constant glidepath angle (with pitch control) and pull the power to slow down 10 knots, then to stabilize the airspeed, you need to have a higher power setting than you did at the higher airspeed. If you slow down too much, you run out of thrust, and 100% won't maintain speed anymore. Agreed, if you don't try to hold that constant glidepath angle with pitch, your results may differ, but are you trying to control the aircraft, or are you letting it control you?

And BTW, I passed my AE101 class just fine. I graduated with my AE degree and MAS just fine. I also taught Advanced Aero at UPT and was the T-38 Chief Pilot at USAFTPS.
 
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Honest question: What is the definition of "teaching it right the first time" vs. "dumbing it down?"

I love tgrayson's posts. He sets the bar very high for flight instructors, which I think is a great thing. And I'll be the first to admit I don't have the level of knowledge instructors like him think all instructors should have. But, he points me in good directions to go study, so that's a great thing.

But, back to my question. Who defines "teaching it right the first time?" For this discussion as an example, do I need to teach my students physics to teach it right? Do I need to make them work coefficient of lift problems?

tgrayson says this:

great satisfaction that comes from knowing exactly how and why the airplane responds to your control inputs.

I totally agree. But there are various levels of knowledge to answer this statement with, going from PHAK-type knowledge to physics.

I suppose it really doesn't matter at the personal level. I can only instruct up to my current knowledge-level, and as long as I am always learning, I'm satisfied.
 
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And BTW, I passed my AE101 class just fine. I graduated with my AE degree and MAS just fine. I also taught Advanced Aero at UPT and was the T-38 Chief Pilot at USAFTPS.

What years were you at TPS?
 
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Here's a challenge for the other engineers on this board. Eliminate (or change the parameters) on the secondary pitch control system (also known as pitch trim). Instead of maintaining a constant stick force or constant AOA, have it maintain a constant pitch angle, or a constant G loading and see how your "control physics" changes along with it.
 
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Throttle controls thrust which changes airspeed

Really? So I maintain a constant AOA and I increase thrust, will increased speed result?

No.

A constant AOA with increased velocity will produce Lift > Weight, which the static stability of the aircraft will not permit. The aircraft will rotate until the flight path has a component of gravity that opposes your increased thrust and the aircraft will maintain the same velocity as before.

and pitch controls AOA which controls climb and descent.

Yet aerodynamics books are full of power and thrust curves which show climbs as the results of excess horsepower and excess thrust. Your AOA is just one variable that controls this excess.

Granted, excess thrust enables you to have the capability to climb to a higher altitude, but it is NOT what "controls" that climb.

Exactly what mechanism do you think that AOA produces to induce a climb or descent?

Back side of the power curve really does not change how you "control" anything, it just means thjat it takes a higher power setting to maintain a slower airspeed at a constant flightpath angle.

It's exactly the same thing.

If you hold a constant glidepath angle (with pitch control) and pull the power to slow down 10 knots, then to stabilize the airspeed, you need to have a higher power setting than you did at the higher airspeed.
The elevators have one function: they rotate the a/c around the center of gravity. What happens after that is a result of the aircraft stability and the amount of power/thrust available.

The pitch of the aircraft is normally defined as the flight path angle plus the AOA.
 
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I think he has a little bit more of an understanding then a "student pilot".

Some things don't really come with flight time. John himself wrote one article saying 30,000 hours didn't really mean that much. Of course, I suspect he doesn't really feel that way. :)

Regardless, if experience has value, then it should be contained in the quality of information provided, rather than rendering the same, run-of-the-mill opinions somehow more credible than from someone else.

Deakin has above average knowledge in some areas, such as engine operation and warbirds, but when he launches into areas outside his expertise, he's just another pilot.


It is good, but the "student pilot" is not going to understand each statement, and will ask "why" after every statement you make. So before calling Deakin an "apologist" you might want to write some thing on your website that explains your point of view a little better.

The "Core Concepts" aren't intended to explain "why"....you can't do that in a sentence or two. My hope is that it merely prepares the mind when it encounters the technical explanation.

I do intend to provide that explanation some day, but doing it well is very difficult. I have prepared a tutorial on power curves, but right now it exists in a .pdf format. I'm converting it to html.


I never read where he said he didn't fully understand "what did what".

He said:

From hearing the CFIs talk about it, you'd think every time a crop duster pulls up for his reversal at the end of the pass, he's thinking, "Okay, remember now, pitch controls power, and altitude controls airspeed." Well, something like that. I can never remember which is which, myself.
I'm sure that was mostly a joke, but his overall presentation demonstrated that he didn't understand.

I just think you were pretty harsh.

Yes. Understanding the role of AOA, thrust, and power takes a good bit of mental discipline. You've got to learn the tools and then apply them. Having someone waltz in without the mental discipline who starts trying to undermine the efforts of those who seek to acquire these tools aggravates me tremendously. It's like cleaning the kitchen counter and having someone come in after you leave it cluttered with dirty dishes.:)
 
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Doesn't make sense. Your pitch angle will be determined by a combination of your thrust and your trimmed AOA.


Look up how a F-16 trim system works sometime. But this gets back to the basis of all your assumptions, that a secondary control system (trim) is keeping AOA constant. Not all aircraft work that way. Therefore for you to proclaim inviolable "rules" seems a little presumptious.
 
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