remember the post about the dead capt on CAL flight

Agreed. I think back to the days of Highschool trips and think how cool it would be to save the day being that guy. Of course, I wish the Captain survived. Really a sad tale...
 
if course, that part is true... too bad the pilot didn't make it :(

there is a thread going on at VATSIM about who would be a better emergency FO... a PPL with 150 hours, or a level D 767 (FS2004) pilot who flies like 10 hours on the thing daily....

I said I would rather take the vatsim pilot just because he would know the systems and know where everything is... if the capt said, ok shut off right pack, or something technical like that, the PPL won't have a clue... the vatsim LD767 guy will know exactly where it is... after all the emergency FO only helps with the systems and does waht the PIC tells him... he doesnt touch the controls...

now before you bash on me and all, just check out the LD767, and see what it offers...

http://www.leveldsim.com/sevensix_products.asp

check out this vid, gives you an idea of whats all there too...

http://www.simradar.com/Feature/4015/VATSIM___Level_D_767.html

I just prefer someone that knows whats where then someone who flies a tiny lil cessna, but again... thats just me :) those vatsim guys are good on radios, but probably never will be as good as a PPL on radios so... I dunno
 
Ehh, help me drag the guy away from the yoke and go sit back down in 29E! :)

Else I've got to teach a private pilot what the call sign is, who to talk to, how to change the radio frequency and all that normals ops jazz and it's easier just to do it myself.

If my captain conked out, unless you're a deadheading/jumpseating professional pilot, you're probably more of a liability than an asset -- personal opinion only.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Ehh, help me drag the guy away from the yoke and go sit back down in 29E! :)

Else I've got to teach a private pilot what the call sign is, who to talk to, how to change the radio frequency and all that normals ops jazz and it's easier just to do it myself.

If my captain conked out, unless you're a deadheading company pilot, you're probably more of a liability than an asset -- personal opinion only.
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to each their own...

hey Doug, do me a fav, check out that vid I posted... since you are transferring to the 767 soon, I want you to tell me what you think about the vid and the plane :p
 
I had to 'mark all read' because I had about two days of unread posts. I'll have to dig around for it tomorrow.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Ehh, help me drag the guy away from the yoke and go sit back down in 29E! :)

Else I've got to teach a private pilot what the call sign is, who to talk to, how to change the radio frequency and all that normals ops jazz and it's easier just to do it myself.

If my captain conked out, unless you're a deadheading/jumpseating professional pilot, you're probably more of a liability than an asset -- personal opinion only.
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I agree with Doug. There is a HUGE, HUUUUGE difference between knowing systems and procedures and being able to fly the real thing. I have flown for almost ten years, and my first OE leg on the CRJ reduced me to a drooling, situationally-unaware piece of crap. I was in 13A for most of the flight, and I had just passed my checkride in the sim days before.

Also, I think there's a misconception about job duties from those that aren't professionals yet. I'd say about 10% of our job is "flying" the airplane. If a CAL situation were to happen to me, I'd want someone who could read or obtain landing data for the diversion, ACARS company, talk to ops, etc. This ability would be far more critical than adjusting the packs (which are completely non-critical at this point).

It's a nice thought, but the knowledge of s sim enthusiast or PPL at that point is nearly worthless.
 
taseal said:
its right there in the main post :p

http://www.simradar.com/Feature/4015/VATSIM___Level_D_767.html
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Watching that video reminds me of teaching a pet monkey to ride a bicycle. He can ride that thing in circles around you, now, tell him to ride the bike down to the store and pick up a carton of milk. He's got no friggin' idea of what he's doing.

I agree wth Doug. Help drag the Capt out of the cockpit and go sit back down, the rest is easier to do myself.
 
MDPilot said:
Watching that video reminds me of teaching a pet monkey to ride a bicycle. He can ride that thing in circles around you, now, tell him to ride the bike down to the store and pick up a carton of milk. He's got no friggin' idea of what he's doing.
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LMAO - I like that!
 
taseal said:
if course, that part is true... too bad the pilot didn't make it :(

there is a thread going on at VATSIM about who would be a better emergency FO... a PPL with 150 hours, or a level D 767 (FS2004) pilot who flies like 10 hours on the thing daily....

I said I would rather take the vatsim pilot just because he would know the systems and know where everything is... if the capt said, ok shut off right pack, or something technical like that, the PPL won't have a clue... the vatsim LD767 guy will know exactly where it is... after all the emergency FO only helps with the systems and does waht the PIC tells him... he doesnt touch the controls...

now before you bash on me and all, just check out the LD767, and see what it offers...

http://www.leveldsim.com/sevensix_products.asp

check out this vid, gives you an idea of whats all there too...

http://www.simradar.com/Feature/4015/VATSIM___Level_D_767.html

I just prefer someone that knows whats where then someone who flies a tiny lil cessna, but again... thats just me :) those vatsim guys are good on radios, but probably never will be as good as a PPL on radios so... I dunno
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Don't take this the wrong way my friend, but there is NOTHING similar about sitting at your computer desk in your living room compared to flying anything. If I am on an airplane, the FO asks for a pilot, and no other "professional" pilot is onboard the aircraft, I would volunteer myself (I almost have my comm.). Now if my virtual flight's pilot died, than have at it buddy!
 
MDPilot said:
Watching that video reminds me of teaching a pet monkey to ride a bicycle. He can ride that thing in circles around you, now, tell him to ride the bike down to the store and pick up a carton of milk. He's got no friggin' idea of what he's doing.

I agree wth Doug. Help drag the Capt out of the cockpit and go sit back down, the rest is easier to do myself.
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Excellent description and I agree with Doug and MDPilot!

Having actually flown and instructed on the B75/76, I can tell you that the f/o or checkairman in the right seat wouldn't need any help from a ppl sitting in row 32A other than to help remove the Captain's body. Why they would call a pax up front instead of one of the flight attendants is beyond me unless he was also a doctor. In that case, I'm sure they were looking for his medical skills over aeronautical ones

I would venture to guess most flightsimmers or ppls wouldn't know how to unbuckle the 5 point seatbelt (they don't show you that in flightsim) without someone showing them a few times.

Many times I've given rides in the sim for VIP's and have pretty much had to do everything from setting up the sim to flying it from t/o to landing. It's really not a big deal. In fact, the 757/767's automation is so good it can really reduce the flying workload....*caveat coming* under normal conditions..meaning all systems working normally!
 
taseal said:
... after all the emergency FO only helps with the systems and does waht the PIC tells him... he doesnt touch the controls...
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Is that sarcasm or ignorance? Gentler words: Are you teasing, or do you really not know what an FO does?








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We flamed one out climbing through 410 on a test flight the other day, and my captain let me touch the yoke and everything.. Actually I was the flying pilot, decended the plane, called for checklist, did the restart, and asked for a cup of coffee when I was done. Taseal, in my experience the flying pilot does just that, fly. My captains have never taken the palne from me and told me not to touch the controls.
 
TonyC said:
Is that sarcasm or ignorance? Gentler words: Are you teasing, or do you really not know what an FO does?








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The way I read his post was he meant the "FO" brought up in an emergency. In other words, that PPL from 29E.

Could be wrong, but I think that's what he meant.
 
ChinookDriver said:
The way I read his post was he meant the "FO" brought up in an emergency. In other words, that PPL from 29E.

Could be wrong, but I think that's what he meant.
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Ahhhh. I think you're right, Chinook. My mistake.



taseal, I watched the entire video. I admit it's cool, but it's not realistic. I would opt for a real pilot based on his real airmanship. It's not a video game, even a video game with cool visuals/graphics.






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