caliginousface
Frank N. Beans
Chinook touched on something that bothered me when I read the post...fuel. And then taking off a damaged airplane. Don't know man, all the best, and be safe!
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No that means he made a mistake (one of many I might say). To learn a lesson some "learning" must take place. No where in his post does he say anything about that, he tells a story, but even then he does not talk about making mistakes. I stand by what I said 100%.
taseal
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ever heard of the saying we learn from our mistakes?
now I have no clue why he tried to take off again though... that i'll admit lol
Try reading what I posted again - I'm saying he doesn't see them as mistakes. Good god he tried to takeoff again.
I have the same questions as everyone else....if you landed due to minimum fuel, why did you attempt to depart again? And second did you call the airport authority and let them know that you damaged their rwy edge lights? What part of the airplane hit the light? If it was the prop, you might be looking at an engine teardown.
montanapilot
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i hope your sole basis for your precautionary landing wasnt based on just your fuel gauge. you know GA fuel gauges only have to be accurate when empty.
tonyw
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The good thing is that you are okay. Bent metal can be fixed. Even destroyed airplanes can be replaced.
Human lives cannot.
Now, after you have a few drinks and a chance to relax, think about whether or not you could have done things differently. Hindsight is 20/20. Use it and say, okay, this was good, this was bad, I should have done this instead, and learn from the experience.
Human lives cannot.
Now, after you have a few drinks and a chance to relax, think about whether or not you could have done things differently. Hindsight is 20/20. Use it and say, okay, this was good, this was bad, I should have done this instead, and learn from the experience.
Seggy
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My sentiments exactly. Being caught by a fuel shortage by surprise: poor judgment. Attempting to takeoff with same fuel shortage after crashing into a runway light and driving through a huge ditch: gross poor judgment.
AMEN! I don't want people pulling these kinds of stunts while my loved ones or I am sharing the airspace. I don't want to be on the ground beneath you. And I don't want you plowing into a building and bringing the wrath of the FAA on General Aviation with more unnecessary restrictions to protect us from more people with gross poor judgment.
I didn't read where he realized his mistake. He claims he almost killed himself, and yet he pushed the throttle up to go fly again. HUH?
Oh, I disagree. I think he DOES need a lecture from someone, to wake him up. Or scare him away from airplanes altogether.
And I stand by pilotots 100%.
That puzzle should tell you something -- he learned nothing from that mistake.
One CAN learn from one's mistakes, but there's no law of nature that demands that learning take place. One can make mistakes all day long and learn nothing. I'm not convinced that this guy learned from his mistakes.
It is a WISE student that learns from his mistakes. A POOR student ignores the mistakes and presses on, expecting things to magically get better. Doing the same thing over and expecting different results is insanity.
rightrudder86,
I'm sure everyone is relieved to know that you averted tragedy. Please do some serious soul-searching before you think about getting back in an airplane. You didn't mention specifically why you have to find a new flight school. If your current flight school will no longer let you fly, you should seriously consider their rationale, and the problems they have with it. If you cannot fix those problems and repair their trust in you, you should consider another hobby.
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meritflyer
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Nobody commissioned you to be the executioner. The guy has the FAA, school, possibly NTSB, insurance company, and not to mention the FAA looking into his CFI, so lay off, eh?
As a newly minted pilot, I bet he didnt know what the hell to do.
Dont worry about beating the hell out of him, there's people with higher authority than you that'll be asking him a few questions.
'nuff said.
Let's approach this from the same standpoint that we use when we discuss incidents in a training environment. We review situations, and examine what happened to learn from what happened, not to cruicify the people involved.
There's always lessons to be learned from what happens to others. I'm sure this particular gent will be getting enough earfulls from his CFI, his flight school and the FAA.
There's always lessons to be learned from what happens to others. I'm sure this particular gent will be getting enough earfulls from his CFI, his flight school and the FAA.
And it took guts for him to admit mistakes like this on a public forum. Hopefully he returns and tells us a bit more so maybe some of the aspiring/ low-time pilots around here can learn from it. Think of it as a "I'll never do that again," or a "I learned about flying from that" sort of thing.
Aero_Engineer
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I am glad that you are OK and nothing happened to you. After you have learned from your mistake don't give up, go on but with caution and you'll be fine!!
darrenf
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Sorry merit, but by posting his experience with such nonchalance evident, he invited everyone on this forum to criticize him. As a newly minted pilot, he should have shown better judgement. I am still waiting for him to return and perhaps show that his first post didn't clearly explain the situation, but based on his first go round, I am quite astonished that anyone would defend his decisions. As a newly minted pilot, I could expect him to have a problem with a crosswind, but a student on his first solo should have the sense to not attempt a takeoff in a damaged, low fuel aircraft.
Maybe we're off a bit here. I guess it's fair to expect poor judgment from a newly minted pilot.
What we should expect is CAUTION, and I didn't detect much of that.
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Killtron2000
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It sounds like he didn't know GA fuel indicators can't be trusted or maybe his ground speed wasn't what he expected after all just an extra 15 knots of headwind in a 172 can make a big dent in your ground speed. Precautionary stop is really your only option if suspect your fuel isn't sufficient. I would bet he checked the fuel on the ground and found the gauge was in error.
meritflyer
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By posting his experience he wasnt asking you to kick him in the balls. You werent there. You base your criticisms off of one paragraph.
Until you were there, experience the conditions he flew through, know his skill and proficiency level, know the aircraft he was flying, know the winds he was flying in, ect, I'd keep quiet.
Until you were there, experience the conditions he flew through, know his skill and proficiency level, know the aircraft he was flying, know the winds he was flying in, ect, I'd keep quiet.
meritflyer
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There are plenty accident statistics that suggest a newly minted PPL is the most dangerous period in a flying career.
Until we all were there and know more about the facts of his situation, its a little presuming to throw in all of the brash comments.
Plus, I am the king of cool Tony. You know better than to argue with me.
darrenf
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Let see, in each of my posts I note all I have to go on is what he typed. So, since none of us were there, we should keep quiet?? What is the point of posting on an aviation forum then, would you answer that for me merit?? According to you logic, if you are not there, you can't comment on a situation. May as well shut the forums down then Perhaps you should start your own website where everyone keeps quiet except for you. I am sure that will be fun for you.
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