meritflyer
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Why are you so negative? 
Skywest Mins?
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pilot602
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I have a "whopping" 1400TT/900ME and have a year of 121 ops under my belt at a different company and there are days I still feel behind ...
I think the bigger problem is the rush to "upgrade." Guess what stick around long enough and you WILL be a captain ... a 1,000tt FO isn't nearly as troublesome as a 1,500TT (or 2,500TT) captain ... IMHO.
I think the bigger problem is the rush to "upgrade." Guess what stick around long enough and you WILL be a captain ... a 1,000tt FO isn't nearly as troublesome as a 1,500TT (or 2,500TT) captain ... IMHO.
Well, a lot of people haven't broken the code that low minimums doesn't necessarily mean "happy fun expansionville" it means that there are better opportunities elsewhere that are attracting more experienced/qualified pilots.
Breathless thoughts of burning Jet-A and walking around in the terminal in a leather jacket and sunglasses on your forehead clouds a lot of pilot's vision.
Breathless thoughts of burning Jet-A and walking around in the terminal in a leather jacket and sunglasses on your forehead clouds a lot of pilot's vision.
kellwolf
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Yeah, we haven't expanded in years around here. In fact, we SHRUNK last Nov when we lost 15 planes......
Cheechako
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I've only been out of the loop for a couple months now, but before I left there were no plans to lower the mins. Over the past year or so since that ATP agreement was signed, I didn't see a single applicant come through with anything less than 1000 hours. Of course I wasn't interviewing 5 days a week, so I only saw a small percentage of the applicants coming through.
Internal recs getting pilots through under mins? Have to be a strong rec (managerial, VP level). I saw a 950-hour pilot squeak by like that.
Internal recs getting pilots through under mins? Have to be a strong rec (managerial, VP level). I saw a 950-hour pilot squeak by like that.
meritflyer
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Senior captain (11+ years) told me 800 hours was tha min if he walked resumes in.
OldTownPilot
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And you dindt furlough anyone because you were soe woefully understaffed.....
meritflyer
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Just passing the info along. My guess is my friend, the senior captain, knew Cheeckako well at SKYW.
meyers9163
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Your friend could just be the one who slipped through the cracks. But knowing from history SKW has been very strict on their mins and have done just fine. For some reason I believe that will remain and they will still get their guys. Not saying your friend didnt get on or 800 isnt what your friend was told. And again I think you might be right "they will grant" interviews with lower time but not hire until you have the 1000/100me.... I really am very confident with that.
Anyways to end this conversation if someone really wants a 121 job there's a list of others who take those people on who cant stick it out and instruct or do something else, SKW I dont forsee changing. Just my 2 cents!
Anyways to end this conversation if someone really wants a 121 job there's a list of others who take those people on who cant stick it out and instruct or do something else, SKW I dont forsee changing. Just my 2 cents!
DE727UPS
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I find it disrespectful to the profession when an airline makes a pact with flight school "A" to hire with ever so slightly reduced mins. It's marketing fluff for flight school "A", that has very little meaning, in the end. 150 hours is like two months of CFI time. Certainly not worth a decision to train at flight school "A", if you ask me.
Captain_Bob
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What about flight school "T" or "P"? 
Anyway... it means a lot to the guy that did get hired at those mins as a result of attending said school.
I agree with you... it's a only a difference of @ 100-150 hours with most flight school deals, and that is only a few extra months instructing.
But... if you didn't go to flight school "A", "B", or "C" then you may not even get an interview with said airline until you have several hundred more hours above their mins. That part is not fluff...
No guarantees on the job itself of course... but it's nice to know that you can be sitting in a room across from a hiring captain having the opportunity to prove to them that you can be a good fit into their organization.
Regardless, all airlines have more than one "virtual" stack of resumes... and each stack is certainly not created equal... Internal Recs, Daddy works in Managment Recs, Past Interns, Flight School Recs, and normal off the street resumes, etc... Which stack do you think has the least priority?
Bob
Anyway... it means a lot to the guy that did get hired at those mins as a result of attending said school.
I agree with you... it's a only a difference of @ 100-150 hours with most flight school deals, and that is only a few extra months instructing.
But... if you didn't go to flight school "A", "B", or "C" then you may not even get an interview with said airline until you have several hundred more hours above their mins. That part is not fluff...
No guarantees on the job itself of course... but it's nice to know that you can be sitting in a room across from a hiring captain having the opportunity to prove to them that you can be a good fit into their organization.
Regardless, all airlines have more than one "virtual" stack of resumes... and each stack is certainly not created equal... Internal Recs, Daddy works in Managment Recs, Past Interns, Flight School Recs, and normal off the street resumes, etc... Which stack do you think has the least priority?
Bob
DE727UPS
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"Which stack do you think has the least priority"
Are you suggesting that ATP grads leap above off the street resumes? Beats me....Maybe they do but I think you'd have a hard time proving it. I'd suggest that they don't based on the responses so far. Perhaps your inside connections know better....
Again. "Leap" means 150 hours. Hardly worth going to flight school "A", unless you thought flight school "A" was a good idea before the "agreement". Not saying flight school "A" is a bad choice. Just saying the fluff isn't worth it...
Are you suggesting that ATP grads leap above off the street resumes? Beats me....Maybe they do but I think you'd have a hard time proving it. I'd suggest that they don't based on the responses so far. Perhaps your inside connections know better....
Again. "Leap" means 150 hours. Hardly worth going to flight school "A", unless you thought flight school "A" was a good idea before the "agreement". Not saying flight school "A" is a bad choice. Just saying the fluff isn't worth it...
Captain_Bob
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Never mentioned ATP in my "suggestion"... but just saying that any flight schools that do have Letters of Understanding (there's a lot out there) do get resume's received in a different "stack".
The question was rhetorical... but seems valid. We've always known that this industry is about who you know... Different prefrences are given to different people. It's the nature of the beast.
I don't have any inside connections with SkyWest... heck... I barely have inside connections with XJT... but again... the arguement seems valid. The "leap" as you state, could certainly occur. It may be only 150 hours difference... but it could also be 600+ hours difference.
There are guys on here and even on my company's pilot forums who are asking constantly when they will get the "call" since they have met the mins for the last 4+ months and they keep updating their resumes and not hearing anything... And yet... I know guys personally (who even post here) who got their interview at 550+/-TT and were in new hire class two weeks later due to an "agreement".
I'm certain it is different at a Major... They most likely don't care where you went to school by that point. But I'm thinking they still have the same "virtual stacks" of resume's that I listed above, minus the "Flight School Recs" stack, where there are different preferences being given to different people.
Bob
The question was rhetorical... but seems valid. We've always known that this industry is about who you know... Different prefrences are given to different people. It's the nature of the beast.
I don't have any inside connections with SkyWest... heck... I barely have inside connections with XJT... but again... the arguement seems valid. The "leap" as you state, could certainly occur. It may be only 150 hours difference... but it could also be 600+ hours difference.
There are guys on here and even on my company's pilot forums who are asking constantly when they will get the "call" since they have met the mins for the last 4+ months and they keep updating their resumes and not hearing anything... And yet... I know guys personally (who even post here) who got their interview at 550+/-TT and were in new hire class two weeks later due to an "agreement".
I'm certain it is different at a Major... They most likely don't care where you went to school by that point. But I'm thinking they still have the same "virtual stacks" of resume's that I listed above, minus the "Flight School Recs" stack, where there are different preferences being given to different people.
Bob
DE727UPS
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"I'm certain it is different at a Major... They most likely don't care where you went to school I'm sure"
That is certainly true.
"But at the regional level... the relationship with flight schools seems to be a neccessary evil"
So...you are saying it's a necessary evil to be aligned with a flight academy to make it at a regional?
Again. I would say that, at best, it buys you a couple months. That seems to be important to some people. The thought that a "relationship with a flight school" is important most certainly IS evil as one should be judged on his merits as a pilot. Not on what school he went to but what experience, hours, background, and ratings he has.
That is certainly true.
"But at the regional level... the relationship with flight schools seems to be a neccessary evil"
So...you are saying it's a necessary evil to be aligned with a flight academy to make it at a regional?
Again. I would say that, at best, it buys you a couple months. That seems to be important to some people. The thought that a "relationship with a flight school" is important most certainly IS evil as one should be judged on his merits as a pilot. Not on what school he went to but what experience, hours, background, and ratings he has.
Skywest has been stacking resumes from a certain flight school in vero beach, in the round file for years. There have only been 5 or so instructors in 5 years that have been hired from there directly from instructing jobs.........From what I hear, there aren't many ATP guys getting interviews either....that agreement is about as worthless as hotel single-ply...
Captain_Bob
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Actually... I'm not saying that. Yes... I typed it as a continued stream of thought in my post... but after I reviewed it I knew it wasn't correct, and not what I wanted to say. I edited it out before anyone posted a response and before I got the little "edited by Bob at 2:xxam..." So I'm thinking that you were in the process of responding during my edit and corrected post. Sorry about that.
Instead... I had replaced that statement with this one regarding Majors:
...which seemed more in line with what I meant to say overall. It was past 2am... I was up for the little one's feeding. My mind wasn't running on all cylinders...Captain_Bob said:
See... I told you they go into a different stack... LOL!
Bob
aloft
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Cheechako still IS the man!
Cheechako
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\/\/hateveeeeerrrrr. . . .