MEI as initial.

desertdog71

desertdog71

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Just a quick question. When doing the MEI as initial, do you cover pretty much EVERYTHING on the oral portion? or is it just ME specific?
 
For the most part mine was ME specific, but we did get into some single engine aerodynamics...which worked out because I used the same guy for the Single engine CFI and the oral was real easy becuase he had heard me talk about it before.
 
Depends on the examiner/inspector. I did the CFI-I as the initial, but you have to expect just about anything on it. We had a guy bust for lack of TAILWHEEL knowledge at the FSDO. The FOI for sure will be on there, as will aeromedical factors (which I got a LOT of questions on).
 
kellwolf said:
We had a guy bust for lack of TAILWHEEL knowledge at the FSDO.
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:yeahthat:

My DPE hammered me about tailwheel stuff. Yes, I'm endorsed in a taildragger so maybe that's why, but I don't plan to instruct in the future in one (at least right now...)

He was, really, a • bag... one of those guys that seemed to want to impress me with his "I've made 30,000 landings..." He didn't like it when I said "well, there's always the 30,001st to screw up on..."
 
N422NM said:
:yeahthat:

My DPE hammered me about tailwheel stuff. Yes, I'm endorsed in a taildragger so maybe that's why, but I don't plan to instruct in the future in one (at least right now...)

He was, really, a • bag... one of those guys that seemed to want to impress me with his "I've made 30,000 landings..." He didn't like it when I said "well, there's always the 30,001st to screw up on..."
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I hear he can't stop a spin for crap
 
desertdog71 said:
Just a quick question. When doing the MEI as initial, do you cover pretty much EVERYTHING on the oral portion? or is it just ME specific?
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Have a look in the CFI-ME PTS under the task table. If you do not have any CFI ratings, you must do the entire CFI oral according to the PTS. The only thing you will not have to do is SE specific items, because that's not in the ME PTS at all. I have some real questions about the examiners that let some of you guys off with only ME stuff. We are talking about an inital CFI certificate no?
 
flyguy said:
Have a look in the CFI-ME PTS under the task table. If you do not have any CFI ratings, you must do the entire CFI oral according to the PTS. The only thing you will not have to do is SE specific items, because that's not in the ME PTS at all. I have some real questions about the examiners that let some of you guys off with only ME stuff. We are talking about an inital CFI certificate no?
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Yeah, but the examiner has the authority to discuss what he wants about things. They can tell if you have enough of a handle on it based on answers. The focus was on ME, with some SE crap in there for good measure. Plus, in the case of the • bag, he said his gameplan was to kill some SE stuff so that I would use him later that week for my SE...thereby guaranteeing him a bit of job security I suppose...
 
N422NM said:
Yeah, but the examiner has the authority to discuss what he wants about things. They can tell if you have enough of a handle on it based on answers. The focus was on ME, with some SE crap in there for good measure. Plus, in the case of the • bag, he said his gameplan was to kill some SE stuff so that I would use him later that week for my SE...thereby guaranteeing him a bit of job security I suppose...
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That's fine if they want to discuss SE stuff, but to only cover ME specific items, and skip about 80% of the PTS could mean serious trouble for the DPE if the FSDO found out. Plus, nearly all initial CFI rides are being conducted by the FSDOs now, any you can rest assured that they will not skip a single item in the PTS. I'd say be ready for the entire CFI oral.
 
flyguy said:
Plus, nearly all initial CFI rides are being conducted by the FSDOs now, any you can rest assured that they will not skip a single item in the PTS. I'd say be ready for the entire CFI oral.
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True, a person needs to study the whole oral. I did.

FSDO maybe mandating it where you are, but here in PHX, they still really don't want anything to do with CFI initals. Talked to a guy from Scottsdale FSDO and was told that. There's no standardization from FSDO to FSDO about this stuff. Each one has it's own local interpretation about everything.
 
N422NM said:
True, a person needs to study the whole oral. I did.

FSDO maybe mandating it where you are, but here in PHX, they still really don't want anything to do with CFI initals. Talked to a guy from Scottsdale FSDO and was told that. There's no standardization from FSDO to FSDO about this stuff. Each one has it's own local interpretation about everything.
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And that's exactly why I went to AZ to get my initial CFI done. They are one of the last, and the FAA will probably soon put an end to it. They are craking down on DPEs doing initial CFIs all over the country, except AZ for some reason.
 
flyguy said:
They are craking down on DPEs doing initial CFIs all over the country, except AZ for some reason.
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Strange thing (probably not strange...but stranger than I've seen in any other FSDO around the country) is that to talk to a couple of DPE's here they'll tell you about how "we have a professional group and we tell the FSDO what needs to be done here in the area about xxx"

There is a real cliqueish DPE network here, and then there are the other DPE's here that are not part of that clique. As of late, we are using the one's that aren't in the clique because our students get an actual practical test. Not one based on some weird, obscure thing that happened back 50 years ago....but that's for another thread...whch maybe I'll start...
 
I thought the MEI intial ride was pretty easy, but EVERYTHING was covered. I was asked pretty much everything you could think of. Multi-engine things are points of emphasis, but if you study everything and have good reference material you will have no problem with it.
 
N422NM said:
Strange thing (probably not strange...but stranger than I've seen in any other FSDO around the country) is that to talk to a couple of DPE's here they'll tell you about how "we have a professional group and we tell the FSDO what needs to be done here in the area about xxx"

There is a real cliqueish DPE network here, and then there are the other DPE's here that are not part of that clique. As of late, we are using the one's that aren't in the clique because our students get an actual practical test. Not one based on some weird, obscure thing that happened back 50 years ago....but that's for another thread...whch maybe I'll start...
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go make me some tacos
 
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