Godspeed Spirit

sorrygottarunway said:
Random question... whatever happened to those Falcon Air guys that flew the only SCAB flight when spirit was on strike in 2009?
(I was a baby pilot on the Q400 in EWR at the time)
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One disappeared into the night and kept doing scabby like things, and the other came on APC or Pprune or something like that and begged for forgiveness and said he didn't know what he was doing.

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Here it is: My side of the story (Falcon F/O) - Airline Pilot Central Forums
 
knot4u said:
Honest question, are Spirit pilots that fly those jets scabs also or are you talking about flying a plane to storage? These aren't B-29s after WWII being decommissioned, they're fully functional narrowbody airliners that a lessor owns and will likely be repurposed sooner rather than later. Perhaps flying it to storage for the company would be sad, but the airplane will likely continue to fly with someone else. Regarding flying B-29s to storage I knew someone that did plenty of it when he wasn't flying B-50s. I'm really confused about this Spirit thing, it seems as if some folks think the government is the villain and the pilots are all hapless heroes and no one cares about the business model they used. If a bump in operating costs sinks the company after a couple of weeks it's running on the frayed thread of a shoestring. I'm pointing the finger at Spirit management as they bail out with big compensation packages. I'll never be a C-suite guy, but @derg is.
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Are they scabs? Absolutely not.

The gallows comment was merely pointing out that flying those jets to the boneyard is like walking yourself up to the noose since the it's the death of the operation.
 
bp said:
the older guy who runs nomadic is actually a scab
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This is the sentiment that baffles me. I'm not questioning your blinding hatred for anyone that walked across a pilot union strike line. My question is more about whether or not the recently unemployed pilots that worked for the scab to make a few bucks to relocate the airplanes will be considered dirty for accepting employment from a scab. You 121 folks are so tribal it's hard to know if someone might've stepped on someone's brand new sneaker inadvertently. What did Spirits pilot union think about those flights?
 
BCTAv8r said:
The union didn’t think anything. The company ceased operations and everyone was terminated. This wasn’t a strike. Some Spirit pilots got to make a bit of money while flying their aircraft for the last time. Not sure what the big deal is.
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Someone brought up the fact that one of Nomadics owners is a scab and it wasn't me. And your post doesn't answer my question, will those pilots have their reputation eternally besmirched because they worked for an airline scab?
 
Cruise said:
Yeah, sure enough; although seems like walking yourself up the gallows...
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It so normal in corporate aviation. There has been two separate occasions where I flown the airplane that I was on to it's new owners or to pre-buy on my last day on the job amd had to find new employment.
 
bp said:
the older guy who runs nomadic is actually a scab
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Has that been confirmed anywhere? I’ve heard that rumor, but also seen elsewhere he has a different middle name than the name on the scab list.

Not to mention if the strike was in 1989, and I’m guessing he’s about 60 years old.. that would’ve made him maybe 23 at the time? Certainly still possible given the line of work he’s in though.
 
podrick said:
Has that been confirmed anywhere? I’ve heard that rumor, but also seen elsewhere he has a different middle name than the name on the scab list.

Not to mention if the strike was in 1989, and I’m guessing he’s about 60 years old.. that would’ve made him maybe 23 at the time? Certainly still possible given the line of work he’s in though.
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He gets called out about it on Reddit pretty frequently and he replies by justifying it and badmouthing unions.
 
BCTAv8r said:
The union didn’t think anything. The company ceased operations and everyone was terminated. This wasn’t a strike. Some Spirit pilots got to make a bit of money while flying their aircraft for the last time. Not sure what the big deal is.
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Yeah. Not a scab situation at all.

Operations ceased, pilots were terminated, trustee had to approve all expenditures. Leasing company allowed to protect assets.

Beyond that, the repo pilots (repossession not repositioning) is an odd biz. Company guys may not be comfortable operating without dispatch and company mx. I can’t see Spirit guys fighting for the flight to the boneyard.
 
KLB said:
It so normal in corporate aviation. There has been two separate occasions where I flown the airplane that I was on to it's new owners or to pre-buy on my last day on the job amd had to find new employment.
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Did you help unload the boxes of aircraft records? In my time I've found the pilots that fly the airplane to the next owner or operator are usually very helpful . Maybe they were just nice people or maybe because they're about to be unemployed and were qualified for an apparent immediate vacancy making friends seems like a great idea. Or did you just land and walk away in a huff? I can think of plenty of pilots that've stayed with the airplane when it changed ownership or operation. Nice people get ahead.
 
JordanD said:
There’s a lot of things that aren’t really in the scope of their job. I haven’t filed a flight plan in over a decade because I haven’t needed to, it’s someone else’s job. Same with weight and balance and performance numbers.
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Ugh god imagine not having ACARS
 
Roger Roger said:
Ugh god imagine not having ACARS
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I remember the manual weight and balance form at SkyWest was like a cursed game of Plinko that I still wonder how someone came up with it and thought “yes, this is the way.”
Here the literal worst case scenario is having it emailed to us in the exact same format as it comes out of the ACARS.
 
JordanD said:
There’s a lot of things that aren’t really in the scope of their job. I haven’t filed a flight plan in over a decade because I haven’t needed to, it’s someone else’s job. Same with weight and balance and performance numbers.
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I’m sure Nomadic has apps for all of that. To think guys will turn down flying these trips because they have to file a flight plan and click a few buttons is laughable, but either way, they found enough pilots because the planes are in Arizona.
 
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