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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I’m not the one victim blaming and justifying shooting down an A300 when one was sitting -at the time- be of the most advanced weapons systems for a ship.
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You’re • retarded. You shouldn’t be allowed to sit at the table with grown men.

Are you married? If you can’t carry on a conversation here, it’s unlikely you’re getting it done at home. Another cuck overcompensating on social media.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Inexcusable for an AEGIS ship. Bottom line, they went looking for trouble and invented trouble in the process.
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I don’t think they necessarily invented trouble, as they were in a skirmish with Iranian small boats. But what they did very very wrong, is fall into some severe confirmation bias regarding an air contact. I get that they didn’t want to end up like the USS Stark a couple of years earlier. But if they were thinking the A300 was an F-14, they weren’t considering that the high stable/predictable flightpath didn’t make sense for a threat aircraft, nether did its M3. And even if it was an F-14, they should’ve known the Tomcat possesses no weapons that can damage a ship other than its 20mm gun, and that an Iranian Tomcat wasn’t going to ever be used for a strafing run and risk getting shot down. The Tomcats were their pride fighter aircraft that the Iranians took very minimal risks with.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I never used these terms, so not sure what you’re driving at.






What is this “Muslim brotherhood?” Honestly, you sound like a podcast guy. You choose what to listen to, without any regard to the quals of the person behind the mike, and just pickup key talking phrases that sound “good.”






I just don’t see how this is relevant here.
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I was replying to @derg . Maybe folks around here are correct about you're reading comprehension. Do you think this site revolves around you and your replies?
 
MikeD said:
I don’t think they necessarily invented trouble, as they were in a skirmish with Iranian small boats. But what they did very very wrong, is fall into some severe confirmation bias regarding an air contact. I get that they didn’t want to end up like the USS Stark a couple of years earlier. But if they were thinking the A300 was an F-14, they weren’t considering that the high stable/predictable flightpath didn’t make sense for a threat aircraft, nether did its M3. And even if it was an F-14, they should’ve known the Tomcat possesses no weapons that can damage a ship other than its 20mm gun, and that an Iranian Tomcat wasn’t going to ever be used for a strafing run and risk getting shot down. The Tomcats were their pride fighter aircraft that the Iranians took very minimal risks with.
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Certainly an example of the fog of war. The Vincennes discounted some info and placed disproportionate significance to other info including no response to multiple calls on 121.5. Beyond that, the possibility of a Suzanna-type had become a common briefing item.
 
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MikeD said:
they should’ve known the Tomcat possesses no weapons that can damage a ship other than its 20mm gun, and that an Iranian Tomcat wasn’t going to ever be used for a strafing run and risk getting shot down.
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By this time, Iranian F-14’s had acquired some air-to-ground weaponry.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
By this time, Iranian F-14’s had acquired some air-to-ground weaponry.
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I don't know much about much, but do you think they were possibly a threat back then? If they weren't so stupid I'd actually commend them for keeping the F-14 flying. I was also a victim of Top Gun but sadly the closest I ever got to a F-14 was some broke dick one pushed out into a far corner of KVNY that ended up there after they were retired from actual operations and were about to be abandoned. It was waiting for a Navy crew to come repair a hydraulic issue, it looked awesome, whatever the hydraulic issue was caused the airplanes nose strut to almost fully compress just sitting static. From certain angles at a certain time of day I could've sworn someone was playing Danger Zone in a nearby hangar.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbyoNrwA_Gk
 
knot4u said:
Iran has been funding muslim terrorist groups all over the ME for decades, Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis come to mind.
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So has Israel. So have we. What’s your point?



knot4u said:
Iran was close to refining nuclear weapon grade materials (imminent) and if you think we didn't have talks with all of the other players in the region before that got shut down you probably think fairies are real.
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Other players? Sure. Like Israel. The rest of the modern non-religious hysteria world didn’t want this. The timing on this is 100% to do with Trump’s tariffs getting voted down and him needing a distraction and a “victory.”



knot4u said:
Iran is now attacking all of their neighbors, why? SA, Qatar, Kuwait have all been hit with retarded missiles (or they're smart missiles, I don't know) they've managed to hit one US base, a hotel and a residential building, ours and Israels missiles all just hit pinpoint targets. Irans missiles seem like bottle rockets, you can point them in a direction but you have no idea where they'll land. And you're trying to defend that sort of indiscriminate destruction?
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Iran is hitting countries with a U.S. airbase. And yes, your observations of them having stupid missiles and drones that are random is just more proof that Iran is NOT a world threat.


Be honest, it’s the only country in the ME that hasn’t yet been an Uncle Tom like the others have that have US airbases.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
Certainly an example of the fog of war. The Vincennes discounted some info and placed disproportionate significance to other info including no response to multiple calls on 121.5. Beyond that, the possibility of a Suzanna-type had become a common briefing item.
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I’m not going to justify, but the CIC of any surface *read: no winged aviator on board* ship is kinda out of their element when it comes to anything involving an airplane or a missile. They have proven, time and again, that that are miserably incompetent with that s**t. Vincennes, Gettysburg, etc. They aren’t stupid, but they are morons when it comes to stuff like this. And the unfortunate fact is that we dont have heavily trained people manning those consoles, let alone their leadership who couldn’t fight their way out of a brown paper bag. SWOs sometimes surprise me with their competence, but usually not, and by that, i mean they really really dont.
 
knot4u said:
I don't know much about much, but do you think they were possibly a threat back then?
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They armed F-14’s with rockets, an air-to-surface version of the Hawk, a TV-guided missile, Mavericks, and 2000lb dumb bombs. Not sure how much of a threat they posed but you have to be prepared for the Golden BB.

Towards the end of the war until the Israelis took out most of the fleet, the Iranians used their F-14’s as a de facto AWACS platform. Avoiding putting them at risk.

I’m curious if anybody has written a definitive book on Iranian F-14’s.
 
///AMG said:
I’m not going to justify, but the CIC of any surface *read: no winged aviator on board* ship is kinda out of their element when it comes to anything involving an airplane or a missile. They have proven, time and again, that that are miserably incompetent with that s**t. Vincennes, Gettysburg, etc. They aren’t stupid, but they are morons when it comes to stuff like this. And the unfortunate fact is that we dont have heavily trained people manning those consoles, let alone their leadership who couldn’t fight their way out of a brown paper bag. SWOs sometimes surprise me with their competence, but usually not, and by that, i mean they really really dont.
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Yeah, not an impressive bunch … for decades.

On the other hand, E-2 sailors are among the sharpest tools I’ve seen at AEW and C2.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
They armed F-14’s with rockets, an air-to-surface version of the Hawk, a TV-guided missile, Mavericks, and 2000lb dumb bombs. Not sure how much of a threat they posed but you have to be prepared for the Golden BB.

Towards the end of the war until the Israelis took out most of the fleet, the Iranians used their F-14’s as a de facto AWACS platform. Avoiding putting them at risk.

I’m curious if anybody has written a definitive book on Iranian F-14’s.
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Nearly all of the kills the Iranian F-14s got during the iran/iraq war were with the AIM-54A Phoenix missile. The AIM-7E-2s we sold them that the F-4D/E Phantoms used weren’t compatible with the AWG-9 radar. And the couple of AIM-9J missiles they would carry were never used, nor was the gun, as the Iranian Tomcats wouldn’t go WVR, as it would sit back as the poor-man’s AWACS that possessed a kill capability . Hence the mainly Phoenix use. They’d launch old school style with 6 AIM-54s.
 
MikeD said:
Nearly all of the kills the Iranian F-14s got during the iran/iraq war were with the AIM-54A Phoenix missile. The AIM-7E-2s we sold them that the F-4D/E Phantoms used weren’t compatible with the AWG-9 radar. And the couple of AIM-9J missiles they would carry were never used, nor was the gun, as the Iranian Tomcats wouldn’t go WVR, as it would sit back as the poor-man’s AWACS that possessed a kill capability . Hence the mainly Phoenix use. They’d launch old school style with 6 AIM-54s.
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Given that they likely ran out, or at least are incredibly low, did they ever develop an indigenous copy of the phoenix, or are they pretty much incapable of that standoff range?
 
MikeD said:
Nearly all of the kills the Iranian F-14s got during the iran/iraq war were with the AIM-54A Phoenix missile. The AIM-7E-2s we sold them that the F-4D/E Phantoms used weren’t compatible with the AWG-9 radar. And the couple of AIM-9J missiles they would carry were never used, nor was the gun, as the Iranian Tomcats wouldn’t go WVR, as it would sit back as the poor-man’s AWACS that possessed a kill capability . Hence the mainly Phoenix use. They’d launch old school style with 6 AIM-54s.
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Yes, they burned through their Phoenix stockpiles during the war and developed the Sedjil (Hawk modified for air-to-air).

There was a stretch of a few years in the early 2000’s that had me fly into Iran a few times with a Saudi delegation. Saw a few F-14’s at Mehrabad, all naked.
 
Boots2Wings said:
Given that they likely ran out, or at least are incredibly low, did they ever develop an indigenous copy of the phoenix, or are they pretty much incapable of that standoff range?
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I believe they did, and they reworked all their AGM-45 Shrike and AGM-78 Standard anti radiation missiles that the F-4E carried. Basically zero timing then
 
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