DPS Helo Crash in Arizona

That's sad, these guys are awesome.

I don't think it was this particular helicopter, but I watched one of the DPS helos rescue a mountain biker who smashed his leg up at one of the places I ride a few months back. They grabbed him with the winch and took him away, it was pretty neat to watch them work.
 
That whole situation was a big mess up there with the active shooter and the long rifle he was employing and firing at buildings, civilians, and police. Still unknown why/how the 407 went down. Kingman / District 1 has had some hard luck. Kingman and Flagstaff still fly the 407, while Phoenix and Tucson fly the new 429.
 
FlyingAccountant said:
I'm not sure if he was directly responsible for the helicopter crash, but the suspect in question was charged with two counts of first degree murder for the death of the troopers.
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If he shot the helicopter down, that would be appropriate. If the crash was an accident of some kind, then that kind of doesn’t jive.

Same thing when the TV3 and TV15 helos had the midair collision in 2007 over 3rd Ave/Indian School while filming the vehicle chase on the ground. The suspect was initially charged with the deaths of the four TV news crew in the helos, but he can’t be held responsible for two helicopters impacting one another while they were positioning themselves around the sky with low SA and target fixation on the ground incident that was going on. So those charges were dropped.
 
MikeD said:
If he shot the helicopter down, that would be appropriate. If the crash was an accident of some kind, then that kind of doesn’t jive.

Same thing when the TV3 and TV15 helos had the midair collision in 2007 over 3rd Ave/Indian School while filming the vehicle chase on the ground. The suspect was initially charged with the deaths of the four TV news crew in the helos, but he can’t be held responsible for two helicopters impacting one another while they were positioning themselves around the sky with low SA and target fixation on the ground incident that was going on. So those charges were dropped.
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Not really any different than when they charge the suspect in a high speed chase if a cop crashes and dies
 
NovemberEcho said:
Not really any different than when they charge the suspect in a high speed chase if a cop crashes and dies
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Kind of different, news helicopters are only tangentially involved because they're not actually participating, they're just observing.
 
SteveC said:
Police helicopter here, not news.
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I assumed he was replying to the @MikeD post that he quoted regarding the news choppers that ran into each other following a chase. Am I wrong? I understand in this particular accident it was a LEO helicopter and we don't know if the bad guy actually shot it down. You'd be surprised how durable helicopters are regarding gunfire, there's always the golden BB but back during the riots in the '90s when I was farting around with news helicopters some came back with bullet holes in them and although they required repair they didn't simply fall out of the air once they got hit. I'm still not convinced helicopters are more dangerous than airplanes, they just get used in more compromising situations.
 
knot4u said:
I assumed he was replying to the @MikeD post that he quoted regarding the news choppers that ran into each other following a chase. Am I wrong? I understand in this particular accident it was a LEO helicopter and we don't know if the bad guy actually shot it down. You'd be surprised how durable helicopters are regarding gunfire, there's always the golden BB but back during the riots in the '90s when I was farting around with news helicopters some came back with bullet holes in them and although they required repair they didn't simply fall out of the air once they got hit. I'm still not convinced helicopters are more dangerous than airplanes, they just get used in more compromising situations.
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Mike’s first paragraph was about the police helicopter, the theme of the thread. November Echo’s post follows that thought directly and, conversely, doesn’t make much sense if applied to the news helicopter side-note paragraph.
 
SteveC said:
Mike’s first paragraph was about the police helicopter, the theme of the thread. November Echo’s post follows that thought directly and, conversely, doesn’t make much sense if applied to the news helicopter side-note paragraph.
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I disagree but I don't care. You want to argue about semantics. Can we agree that if a suspect shoots at a LEO helicopter and it ends up crashing that person should be indicted for, at the very least, attempted murder? And if two news helicopters end up getting in a blade fight it's not the fault of the suspect in the high speed chase? This is why courts are important, they parse out the details. You just want to argue with me for some reason, I don't know why and I don't care. I hope you have a great evening.
 
NovemberEcho said:
No he was just trying to explain it to you because your reading comprehension sucks
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Or your writing is lacking. It's not my fault that your writing leaves folks guessing. If you want your words to land be specific. Did my explanation clear anything up and do you have anything to say? Which accident were you referring to?
 
knot4u said:
Or your writing is lacking. It's not my fault that your writing leaves folks guessing. If you want your words to land be specific. Did my explanation clear anything up and do you have anything to say? Which accident were you referring to?
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He already told you.

I can explain it in detail if you need some assistance. I’m nice that way you know.
 
knot4u said:
Or your writing is lacking. It's not my fault that your writing leaves folks guessing. If you want your words to land be specific. Did my explanation clear anything up and do you have anything to say? Which accident were you referring to?
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Sorry, if I am intending to write for you I shall be sure sure to dumb it down next time. I was commenting in reference to the police helicopter crashing, not the news helicopters.
 
NovemberEcho said:
Sorry, if I am intending to write for you I shall be sure sure to dumb it down next time. I was commenting in reference to the police helicopter crashing, not the news helicopters.
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You're writing is unintentionally dumb until it's tossed back at you. You don't know what you don't know.
 
knot4u said:
You're writing is unintentionally dumb until it's tossed back at you. You don't know what you don't know.
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I know that you consistently misinterpret very clear posts, or at least posts that are very clear to everyone but you, yet somehow it’s always everyone else who is the problem.
 
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