UPS MD-11 crash at SDF

Totally non-sequitur, and I don't mean to influence the conversation, but I can't help but think of the incident where that 757(?) threw a fan blade on a mx engine run that sliced through the wing box.
 
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That roll is very scary, I can imagine the last people to work on this aircraft are going to have a miserable time awaiting information. Obviously most engine separations don't go over the wing like AA191, I'll be very curious to see if this happened right around rotation and tore across the wing or if it came from the bottom. Regardless, it was a simply horrifying way to go that these people didn't deserve. Really hoping that a bunch of ground casualties don't surface in the morning.

A miracle this never happened to a passenger MD-11 as it was apparently possible all along...damn. RIP to everyone.
 
milleR said:
Totally non-sequitur, and I don't mean to influence the conversation, but I can't help but think of the incident where that 757(?) threw a fan blade on a mx engine run that sliced through the wing box.
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767 at lax, HP turbine let go. Part of it lodged in the tailpipe of the other engine. Was just texting about this with another jcer. Was also a CF6. Ludicrously lucky as it happened during a mx run to diagnose an EGT fluctuation.

AA 767 High Pressure Turbine Failure

a Gulfstream Jet sinks into the asphalt - apparently it was too heavy for the tarmac to support it.
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Boris Badenov said:
Nothing about the MD specifically ATM, but SDF is shut down. Not sure whether they're doing a sort, but they've told all pilots to stay in their hotels, etc.
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Yeah, SDF would be shut down due to the CFR trucks and crews being dedicated to this scene both on and off airport, along with the LFD. Same with the Kentucky ANG CFR fire trucks too. SDF airport has a very robust CFR capability. Even though the airport civilian FD only has 3 medium crash fire trucks, 1 small crash fire truck and 1 rescue truck; the Air National Guard has 1 large crash fire truck, 1 medium crash fire truck, 1 small crash fire truck, 1 heavy water tender and 1 rescue truck; while the co-located on their ramp Army National Guard has 4 heavy tactical crash fire trucks and 3 heavy water tender trucks. SDF has the luck of being a joint-use civil-military airfield, and enjoys this large fire rescue capability, like most joint use fields do.
 
MikeD said:
Any temporary pause in MD-11 ops at UPS due to the unknowns of this accident?
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Looking at the engine in the grass beside the runway while the airplane continued on I’d bet there will be a fleet wide inspection.

As an airline we’re gonna have our hands full over the next few weeks I’d imagine. I’m pretty numb after watching a friend’s last moment but the only advice I have to offer to my IPA/UPS brothers and sisters is to take time for yourself if you need it. We’re going into peak where we give 110% for weeks on end. Take care of yourselves and recognize when you have nothing left to give.
 
phill1174 said:
Looking at the engine in the grass beside the runway while the airplane continued on I’d bet there will be a fleet wide inspection.

As an airline we’re gonna have our hands full over the next few weeks I’d imagine. I’m pretty numb after watching a friend’s last moment but the only advice I have to offer to my IPA/UPS brothers and sisters is to take time for yourself if you need it. We’re going into peak where we give 110% for weeks on end. Take care of yourselves and recognize when you have nothing left to give.
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Condolences. Losing friends, even acquaintances in such a way is heartbreaking, to say the least.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
Damn, I was hoping the pilots had a tiny bit of control in their final moments versus being horrified passengers. Gives me a sickening feeling.

I never want to hear the CVR. Heck, don’t want to read the CVR.
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Good reason to never allow flight deck video for accident investigation. No one, least of all their families, should ever watch their loved ones die, heroically or otherwise. And no matter how locked down it is, you know it would leak.
 
ZapBrannigan said:
Good reason to never allow flight deck video for accident investigation. No one, least of all their families, should ever watch their loved ones die, heroically or otherwise. And no matter how locked down it is, you know it would leak.
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It would certainly leak. I mean, I don't mean this politically, but we've got people with very sensitive information sharing that with friends and family under the guise of "bro, check this out".

Having lost so many friends over the years to aviation accidents that I've literally run out of toes and fingers to count, I have no interest in watching videos because it's just grief porn after a point.
 
ZapBrannigan said:
Good reason to never allow flight deck video for accident investigation. No one, least of all their families, should ever watch their loved ones die, heroically or otherwise. And no matter how locked down it is, you know it would leak.
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Honestly, we need to go all “Canada” style where there’s not even a transcript of the CVR released. A total of 4 people review it, they write their report, and then the media is locked away forever. 0.0 reason for it to be published.
 
arkavgal said:
I don't think I saw this posted. 11/29 was expected to reopen at 7am. Given its short length, will that hamper operations of the widebody fleet?

7 dead on the ground so far.😕
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There will be some impact but adjustments will be made between rwys 29 and 17L/35R

During the winter with westerly winds it’s not uncommon for most of the jets to use 29 for t/o’s and landings and we made it work with relatively minor delays. The whales will probably use 17L/35R and all but the heaviest MD’s will operate off of 29.
 
Richman said:
Honestly, we need to go all “Canada” style where there’s not even a transcript of the CVR released. A total of 4 people review it, they write their report, and then the media is locked away forever. 0.0 reason for it to be published.
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Agreed it’s not for general public consumption, but I believe much can be gained and learned from studying the transcript’s of airline accidents by other airline/professional pilots. I know I learned a lot by studying what others did or didn’t do leading up to an accident.
 
Richman said:
Honestly, we need to go all “Canada” style where there’s not even a transcript of the CVR released. A total of 4 people review it, they write their report, and then the media is locked away forever. 0.0 reason for it to be published.
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I’ll have to respectfully disagree. That information is valuable for learning and prevention. As well as transparency promotes integrity of all parties involved.
 
arkavgal said:
I don't think I saw this posted. 11/29 was expected to reopen at 7am. Given its short length, will that hamper operations of the widebody fleet?

7 dead on the ground so far.😕
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I don't recall seeing 747s land on 29, but I've seen all the other stuff do it for hours at a time during rushes. Creates ground stops to SDF but the jets get in.
 
CFI A&P said:
I’ll have to respectfully disagree. That information is valuable for learning and prevention. As well as transparency promotes integrity of all parties involved.
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I back this. So you can't benefit from airline cvr transcripts just as a non-airline pilot? Strongly disagree.
 
My condolences to friends and families of all those affected by this. Truly a devastating loss. The videos made me reflect back to my time spent in the military when I experienced the effects of what low level napalm bombing runs would do. Realizing this however is Lousiville . . underneath the flames and smoke and debris were innocent people. The death toll continues to rise.

My prayers again go out to all involved. Continue to be safe.
 
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