milleR
Well-Known Member
This response makes no sense to me
Edit to add: your first sentence/line is nonsensical. Your second is why you're flying Spirit for your trip. Isn't that how this is supposed to work?
Cherokee's Delta Rants from "Alaska Hawaiian Merger"
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Edit to add: your first sentence/line is nonsensical. Your second is why you're flying Spirit for your trip. Isn't that how this is supposed to work?
Wait until you read the depth of his knowledge on the health care premium situation.
You have probably have more employees than his airline has airplanes so I’m going to go sit in the corner.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Yes it does. It’s forcing corporations to do something that helps the mainstream people. Dems want to tax corporations higher to use that revenue to pay for things that help the lower/middle class.
In that sense, this family seating is not a govt mandate, just a recommendation. But if it became a mandate, it is a slight hit in revenue for the greater good of the traveling public.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I could afford a Ferrari. Doesn’t mean it’s a smart move. I have financial goals I’d like to meet which includes a paid off house.
milleR
Well-Known Member
hold on, walk me through this. I'm sure you think you've explained this perfectly well, but I'm an idiot. What, exactly, are you talking about? Can you lay this out in a sequential order from "we think this" to "we get that" kind of presentation? Because honestly this just sounds like drunk uncle ranting about how everyone is out to get us.
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milleR
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lol, I know F all about healthcare, except we've managed our third year of 0% increase and I'm sure I'll catch holy hell next year when we can't do it again
See, @Cherokee_Cruiser, when there’s someone with a higher level of understanding, we get out of the fast lane, and let them pass. He’s got a lot of employees so what does he do? Have someone at his company handle that and offers a perspective.
That’s how adults have fruitful conversations and makes the internet a place for learning, not fantasies of how we think the world works.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
The general Dem idea of raising corporate taxes and essentially make companies help raise revenue, decrease deficits, and/or pay for lower/middle class benefits.
Guarantee family seating is a benefit that saves consumers money, at the expense of the corporate company that takes a financial hit.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I don’t know what miller does. But it sounds like his company just had a 3ed year in a row with no increase in healthcare costs. If so, not sure how that’s an example that supports the double cost talks.
I’m not even doubting that some costs are double. I’m just asking what in particular. I can see premiums going up (hopefully not double). But I don’t see something like out of pocket max going from 8k to 16k.
You need to read what he wrote… wait. Let me put it into Luxembourgish or something because clearly you have poor reading comprehension.
“Haha, ech weess näischt iwwer Gesondheetsversuergung, ausser datt mir eist drëtt Joer mat 0 % Erhéijung gepackt hunn, an ech sinn sécher, ech kréien d’nächst Joer richteg Stress, wann mir et net nach eng Kéier hikréien.”
Ecl!pse
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Holy cow, this thread is dense. Feels like there is a lot of missing context if this thread got ripped out of another thread.
@Cherokee_Cruiser and @derg you're both right. Lots of talking past each other both ways.
Yes, some carriers in the US guarantee that families sit together (or at least guarantee that children under 13 will sit with an adult), regardless of whether or not they purchased a seat assignment. A consumer-friendly gesture. The prior administration discussed making this a regulatory requirement last year, but did not see it through.
No, Delta and several other carriers do not do that, as is their prerogative. Maybe they change that in the future, maybe they don't. Totally up to them. Until then, buyer beware that you're not guaranteed to sit next to your kids if you don't buy the seat assignment (and they make you plenty aware).
Not sure there's much else to say on the topic.
@Cherokee_Cruiser and @derg you're both right. Lots of talking past each other both ways.
Yes, some carriers in the US guarantee that families sit together (or at least guarantee that children under 13 will sit with an adult), regardless of whether or not they purchased a seat assignment. A consumer-friendly gesture. The prior administration discussed making this a regulatory requirement last year, but did not see it through.
No, Delta and several other carriers do not do that, as is their prerogative. Maybe they change that in the future, maybe they don't. Totally up to them. Until then, buyer beware that you're not guaranteed to sit next to your kids if you don't buy the seat assignment (and they make you plenty aware).
Not sure there's much else to say on the topic.
milleR
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I'm trying to follow you here, I really am. As a business owner in a blue state I want to understand what you're getting at. How does this affect you? I know how it affects me, but how does it affect you and why are you so upset about it?
At the same time-
I simply can't wrap my head around your obsession with one company's policy when it has zero affect on your travel plans as you've aptly demonstrated.
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milleR
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I'm not sure there's a lot of "talking past each other" @Cherokee_Cruiser wants to know why he has to pay extra for an additional side of sauce at Raising Cane's because McDonalds will happily throw in an extra packet and @derg is trying to explain that the exact amount included with each meal is clearly displayed on the menu
Ecl!pse
Well-Known Member
This is where there may be some context missing from some other thread that this morphed into. I haven’t read any posts where CC is asking why he has to pay extra - he’s just kinda repeatedly pointing out that Delta does not offer this, unlike some of its peers. Why we keep pointing this out, beats me. The origins of that aren’t in this version of the thread.
Derg started responding about fare classes, which aren’t really relevant. This is not a fare class issue, it’s really a consumer policy issue. You buy basic economy on any of the airlines and it’s clear what you do/don’t get. You do not get seat selection - the airline automatically assigns you a seat, and usually a crappy one at that. But some carriers recognize if you’re traveling with a child/children and that automated seat selection will put you together. Really not a fare class or menu thing.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Actually, Delta goes one step worse. On a BE fare, you can’t even pay extra to pick a seat. That would at least be an option. A family is out of luck. They need to buy the next higher fare bucket.
On American, United, Spirit, a BE bottom barrel fare class will still allow you to select a seat from the seat map for extra money.
milleR
Well-Known Member
Sure, and I'm not saying one is right or one is wrong. It's up to the consumer to decide which product they want to go with, the vendor is only there to offer their wares. As @Cherokee_Cruiser has already demonstrated, multiple times, there are plenty of options out there that will get you from A to B. But at the end of the day, Delta is earning money for their shareholders and associates, so love or hate their policy, the model is working in the moment.
Because that would be different product. You also can't pre-order a meal either. Why is that?
Rhetorical question. That means "it's sarcastic and doesn't require an answer"
"Sorry kids, dad bought the cheapest seats without realizing what he was clicking, even AFTER the confirmation screens. Plural, everyone"
Alright, now I'm officially bored with the topic. Enjoy American! Maybe @Tommay85 will be your pilot!
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Every other airline (including Frontier and Allegiant) allow seat selection for pay on the lowest bucket BE ticket.
Delta is the lone exception here.
Oh well. It is what it is.
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Did you call a customer service representative yet? Or get a seat on the BOD and create the change you want?