Kalitta Air Info (K4)
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falconvalley
Absentee Dad of the OOTSK, Runner, Cat Frustrator
No printable schedule. We aren’t scheduled and cannot reprint our customers’ schedules as they are not ours. However, many flights are regular occurrences and can be found on your favorite app or website by doing a little detective work. The most difficult flights to track are some of the Asia to Asia flights as they don’t mesh well with Flightradar24 and flightaware, but you can still find what you need fairly easily.
Stone Cold
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K4 doesn’t use 117 rules. Plan on bidding for days off. If you fly your line, it’ll be a first. K4 basically uses everybody as reserves, due to schedule changes, etc. It’s improving in that respect, but don’t plan layovers on the lines you bid.
Do crews stay together for the 16 days then or is everyone doing their own thing at the whim of scheduling?
From what I can gather, a pilot will airline to wherever and just go to the hotel and wait for scheduling to call if they’re not on a schedule.
Are pilots on their own to get from the passenger terminal to the cargo terminal / layover hotel?
How much do actually fly oceanic or are you airlined to Europe Asia Africa and you’ll fly over there and airline back to the U.S. at the end of the 16 day trip?
Stupid questions… im sorry for someone who’s been a 121 passenger princess who’s had their hand held for 20 years.
From what I can gather, a pilot will airline to wherever and just go to the hotel and wait for scheduling to call if they’re not on a schedule.
Are pilots on their own to get from the passenger terminal to the cargo terminal / layover hotel?
How much do actually fly oceanic or are you airlined to Europe Asia Africa and you’ll fly over there and airline back to the U.S. at the end of the 16 day trip?
Stupid questions… im sorry for someone who’s been a 121 passenger princess who’s had their hand held for 20 years.
Stone Cold
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You are on your own. The longest I’ve stayed with a crew is about a week. You have to be self sufficient, as they’ll airline you to your first place to meet the plane (usually LAX, CVG, JFK, ORD, or MIA). You’ll be on your own (company Uber) to get to the hotel, then you’ll meet the crew 2-2.5 hours prior to your first leg. Then you’ll fly to Asia, or wherever, fly for 2 weeks, then to the lower 48 by go home day.
There’s no junior manning, so that’s good, but there are times where you get home later than contractual, and there are remedies for that.
Yes, everything is at the whim of scheduling, and it can get old, but that’s how we make money.
Hopefully that helps.
///AMG
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That's pretty wild that was allowed to stand, after UPS 1354. I mean, there were some other casual factors, but fatigue was kinda the main one. Maybe not fatigue directly related to what would have been a 117 violation, since it was self-induced commuting nonsense, but still. I had no idea that freight had a cutout/opt out option. Thats wild. And concerning.
DE727UPS
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The union went back and looked at the schedule and found it to be the least 117 compliant pairing in the system after the crash. If you want to take a deep dive someday google the ntsb report. Many little things happened that day to align the swiss cheese. FAT was a big part of it.
///AMG
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Yeah I have read the NTSB report, which made me think of how ironic this is
DE727UPS
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There was a free software patch to the EGPWS that UPS didn't want to mess with. Maybe would have made a difference with an earlier pull up call. Fedex came in a bit later in the morning and used the longer runway with the ILS in service. I believe that runway was closed but set to open just a few more minutes after arrival. Rather than wait they made the more challenging non-precision approach to a shorter runway.