Why so much worse at this particular ULCC?The seniority list at this certain ULCC has over 50% of it's dispatchers at or below Year 3 pay. That is a profound level of attrition.
Why so much worse at this particular ULCC?The seniority list at this certain ULCC has over 50% of it's dispatchers at or below Year 3 pay. That is a profound level of attrition.
Below market rate pay, management isn't engaging in a new union contract negotiation with integrity, and rumors have been swirling about a bankruptcy declaration.Why so much worse at this particular ULCC?
Yes it speaks volumes that they still have to hire dispatchers while putting FA's and pilots on voluntary leaves or involuntary furloughs due to the amount of attrition.The seniority list at this certain ULCC has over 50% of it's dispatchers at or below Year 3 pay. That is a profound level of attrition.
YX is definitely closer to 100 if not over. When I left it was somewhere around the 105 range."Each regional probably has 80-100"
You, sir, are wildly mistaken.
Republic: 45-ish
PSA: 41-ish
Mesa: 27
Piedmont: 32
Skywest: 90-100
Horizon: 38
WN/AA/DL/UA: Around 550-ish each
Fedex/UPS: no clue
AS: 96
Rough ADF estimates are that around 4000-ish dispatchers are out there exercising their certifications every year
You can climb a seniority list with 50 to 100 dispatchers quicker than a list with 550 to 600
Majors are considered a retirement destination for many. Not to say that people don't retire at regionals or ULCC's but you get what I'm saying. With the crazy amount of hiring that was in years past, I think one thing that people with their sights set that way forget is that moving up the seniority list at majors isn't going to be at nearly the rate that those that got hired over the last 4 years. The increase in pay definitely helps sweeten the pot though. But you know what they say, Mo money mo problems lol.To a degree, it comes down to luck and timing. I got with a major right before Corona, was stuck at the bottom of the list for a bit, but then hiring exploded and now I have 200 below me in under 5 years. That first class in the wave has about 150 below them in under 2 years. The ebb and flow of hiring is ever fickle. At legacy airlines you can see hiring freezes in seniority lists after 9/11, 08 recession, mergers and bankruptcy.
I'm pessimistic by nature *cough* I mean, realisticAt the end of 2023, there were 20,669 certificated dispatchers in the US. I don’t have a source of how many are employed and to whom but there’s a breakdown here by state. https://www.faa.gov/data_research/aviation_data_statistics/civil_airmen_statistics
Sounds about right. My class of 20 or so...half failed, and a good amount of the ones that did pass were company sponsored by either foreign airlines or non 121 operations in the US. Only 2 others actually joined the US 121 job hunt.Of all the people in my dispatch class long ago, I’m the only one working as a dispatcher. The rest have their cert but never had real interest in the position or were from overseas going back home after.
Yeh.but how many are active. Same with CFIs (or DPEs)…CFI Signoff Frequency in 2024 | JasonBlair.netI'm pessimistic by nature *cough* I mean, realisticIt sounds like from this conversation there are an average between 3,500 and 4,500 jobs available to certificated dispatchers. Per this FAA excel spreadsheet, as of December 31, 2024 there were 26,516 certified dispatchers. Odds of getting a job look pretty slim with those numbers.
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We currently have 116 at Republic"Each regional probably has 80-100"
You, sir, are wildly mistaken.
Republic: 45-ish
PSA: 41-ish
Mesa: 27
Piedmont: 32
Skywest: 90-100
Horizon: 38
WN/AA/DL/UA: Around 550-ish each
Fedex/UPS: no clue
AS: 96
Rough ADF estimates are that around 4000-ish dispatchers are out there exercising their certifications every year