American Airlines ALPA

[Minuteman]

800k house seems totally reasonable these days.

Maybe “normative,” but I don’t sign on for reasonable.

Also the DC-9neo is being built in Mighty Zhongguo. They have correctly renamed it from “ARJ21” to the Comac “C909”

They call it the “Rising Phoenix” which I predict is no more popular than “Thunderbolt II” ever was.

 

[ERfly]

The COVID honeymoon was nice for some. For others it was not. Coming to a cargo company and expecting to not fly at night is bizarre. I will say the eye opening part about here that idk if this happens at purple is starting at 1am on the west coast and ending at 1-2pm out east. On paper the duty time isn’t too crazy but it’s rough on the body.

Not really. They don't really hub turn us into a circadian flip. They tend to do that on the layovers...the 24-hour day to nights and night to days thing. Or the worst layovers we have are in IND, the 2am-2am 24-hour layovers. No good opportunity for 2 sleeps.

What you described sounds extremely painful!

 

[ERfly]

800k house seems totally reasonable these days.

In Memphis?

 

[Kingairer]

In Memphis?

Not familiar with the market, but I am
In the south and the housing market has followed everywhere else pretty much. A 500k house 8 years ago is a 1M+ today. I would think a pro pilot could could swing an 800k house especially with dual income. But I get your point.

 

[A150K]

Remember, there is no world outside of American Airlines, Trinity Blvd and the United States Air Force. Nothing else beyond that realm exists. It's all fake.

Allied Pilots Association: Eating Our Young, Since 1963.

"What do you mean you're based elsewhere and don't live in Flower Mound?"

 

[phill1174]

Not really. They don't really hub turn us into a circadian flip. They tend to do that on the layovers...the 24-hour day to nights and night to days thing. Or the worst layovers we have are in IND, the 2am-2am 24-hour layovers. No good opportunity for 2 sleeps.

What you described sounds extremely painful!

They do that a lot here in PHL also. Usually you land between 12-2pm and you’re out at 3am. Only good thing is some of those are usually shorter trips.

If I came across a night like that now I’d probably have to punch my fatigue ticket during the sit. When I was new I used to always do ONT-PHX-PHL on reserve. Left ONT at 1250am. You sat for a few hours in Phoenix and left for Philly at 6am and landed around 130pm.

 

[phill1174]

In Memphis?

Sounds crazy but there’s some 800K+ homes in Kentucky and southern Indiana also. I was surprised at the prices a few of our guys listed their homes for. Idk if anywhere in the Midwest or South is worth paying that much.

 

[mwflyer]

Sounds crazy but there’s some 800K+ homes in Kentucky and southern Indiana also. I was surprised at the prices a few of our guys listed their homes for. Idk if anywhere in the Midwest or South is worth paying that much.

Suburban Kansas City is worth it. Particularly on the KS side.

 

[Richman]

Sounds crazy but there’s some 800K+ homes in Kentucky and southern Indiana also. I was surprised at the prices a few of our guys listed their homes for. Idk if anywhere in the Midwest or South is worth paying that much.

COVID phenomenon. Draw a 2 hour circle around any major metro, and you’ll find that home prices spiked.

Had a horrible laugh at someone else’s expense. Neighbor in his $1M+ custom home by us just got word that he can come back to work or find other employment. He apparently does, uh, “work stuff”.

I tried to make affirming and comforting noises, and cluck cluck with sympathy, but according to my SO, my eyes said “WTF you dumbass, what did you think was going to happen? Zoom/Teams is the absolute worse way to do anything ever invented, and the suck increases with the cube of the number of participants”.

I was previously unaware that eye movements could convey exponents, so hey, good to know.

 

[DE727UPS]

When I was new I used to always do ONT-PHX-PHL on reserve. Left ONT at 1250am. You sat for a few hours in Phoenix and left for Philly at 6am and landed around 130pm.

Man. That's brutal. I don't remember anything that bad. The union needs to come up with a 117 calculator to show if a line is 117 compliant or not. Would give you a good heads up to double check your fatigue level.

 

[🦈💜]

COVID phenomenon. Draw a 2 hour circle around any major metro, and you’ll find that home prices spiked.

Had a horrible laugh at someone else’s expense. Neighbor in his $1M+ custom home by us just got word that he can come back to work or find other employment. He apparently does, uh, “work stuff”.

I tried to make affirming and comforting noises, and cluck cluck with sympathy, but according to my SO, my eyes said “WTF you dumbass, what did you think was going to happen? Zoom/Teams is the absolute worse way to do anything ever invented, and the suck increases with the cube of the number of participants”.

I was previously unaware that eye movements could convey exponents, so hey, good to know.

In my previous career I was almost full-time work from home for nearly two decades. I don't know why people think "work" equates to "flapping your meat at someone else."

People who spend their "work" time talking, meeting, whatever, aren't actually doing anything productive unless they're in sales. (and often even then)

I'm sorry you don't have sympathy, but that's akin to your airline declaring that as of tomorrow, all pilots are expected to live in base.

 

[ERfly]

If I came across a night like that now I’d probably have to punch my fatigue ticket during the sit. When I was new I used to always do ONT-PHX-PHL on reserve. Left ONT at 1250am. You sat for a few hours in Phoenix and left for Philly at 6am and landed around 130pm.

That made me tired just reading it!

I would say that would probably become a Disputed Pairing here, but that would cause guys here to trip over their dead mother to pick it up.

 

[///AMG]

I'm sorry you don't have sympathy, but that's akin to your airline declaring that as of tomorrow, all pilots are expected to live in base.

I think the main difference would be the terms in which they were hired. If the guy was hired into a pure "virtual" position, then I understand the frustration. If he wasn't, and gambled that 2020/COVID was going to be forever, I guess I'd just say bad guess. Airlines have been "commutable" for generations.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I'm sorry you don't have sympathy, but that's akin to your airline declaring that as of tomorrow, all pilots are expected to live in base.

I hate this line, but it is true: Commuting is a choice.

Sometimes, it is also the correct choice. Other times, it is not the correct choice. This is not to say that either is necessarily a good choice; sometimes both of these options are actually lousy and it's pick whichever one sucks less. One of the many things that we agree to in this business is assignment to any base and any equipment in the system subject to the Company's requirements and collective bargaining agreement.

No pilot base, no matter how well-entrenched or established, is forever, and sometimes you have two lousy choices (commute or move), and therefore yes, I do care what's in a commuter policy or in displacement and relocation benefits. I've been both the child whose pilot parent was displaced and the pilot getting displaced. Neither of these experiences are terribly fun.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I think the main difference would be the terms in which they were hired. If the guy was hired into a pure "virtual" position, then I understand the frustration. If he wasn't, and gambled that 2020/COVID was going to be forever, I guess I'd just say bad guess. Airlines have been "commutable" for generations.

They could wake up tomorrow and decide that all the 757 does every day would be LAX SFO LAX SAN LAX (sign in 0545, sign out 1845) and then I'd find myself with major ragerts, but bid what you want, want what you got!

 

[luke3]

They could wake up tomorrow and decide that all the 757 does every day would be LAX SFO LAX SAN LAX (sign in 0545, sign out 1845) and then I'd find myself with major ragerts, but bid what you want, want what you got!

Come over to ATL and you can do 4 leg days hopping around the SE in the 757 to your heart's content

All joking aside, my main reason for coming to Southernjets is that I live in their headquarter base. If ATL is going away, the entire company is probably going away to. The Green ULCC I was at prior has a habit of opening, closing, growing, and shrinking bases on a whim, potentially leaving you stuck as a career commuter if you like where you live. Considering their love of 1 and 2 day trips that can end up being really unpleasant. Yes commuting is a choice but one you sometimes get forced into

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Come over to ATL and you can do 4 leg days hopping around the SE in the 757 to your heart's content

I'm LAX, which is a fun way of saying "I do the State Bird of Florida too, I just get paid 4.5 hours more on either end of the trip, and every time I get nabbed for a reroute (which is every time I see Atlanta) every rotation becomes a poor man's green slip..."

All joking aside, my main reason for coming to Southernjets is that I live in their headquarter base. If ATL is going away, the entire company is probably going away to. The Green ULCC I was at prior has a habit of opening, closing, growing, and shrinking bases on a whim, potentially leaving you stuck as a career commuter if you like where you live. Considering their love of 1 and 2 day trips that can end up being really unpleasant. Yes commuting is a choice but one you sometimes get forced into

I chose to commute, partially due to making bid decisions prior to making life decisions, and partially because the idea of going to initial again was completely objectionable at the time. And I'll admit it was also because I wanted to fly the 757, and have since I first got in one. Bonus, my parents still live there so short call is a rent-a-car-and-hang-out-at-Mom's-house proposition.

Thinking my next act is going to be going to our regional jet, pardon me, the C-series, pardon me, the A220, yes, that's what it's called now, just because I'd sit top 30% or so in the right seat. The 350B bid's in but I doubt it is in the cards.

We'll see.

I can tell you for free that if they closed every domicile in the system but Atlanta, I would commute, for sure.

 

[Seggy]

The 350B bid's in but I doubt it is in the cards.

What is the 350B? Some type of section at an arena?

 

[ASpilot2be]

All joking aside, my main reason for coming to Southernjets is that I live in their headquarter base. If ATL is going away, the entire company is probably going away to. The Green ULCC I was at prior has a habit of opening, closing, growing, and shrinking bases on a whim, potentially leaving you stuck as a career commuter if you like where you live. Considering their love of 1 and 2 day trips that can end up being really unpleasant. Yes commuting is a choice but one you sometimes get forced into

That's exactly why I left the green ulcc to come to the cargo side of the world where my tickets to work get paid for.

I just got bumped out of my previous base, and it doesn't even stress me out. Totally worth the pay cut coming here.

 

[///AMG]

What is the 350B? Some type of section at an arena?

I'm assuming he refers to the new 350 SEA category