LGA: Brickyard and United near miss in IFR conditions

C'mon LGA, what the actual —?
C'mon United, get it together. You guys "waiting for numbers" to get off?
Hey Brickyard . . . Fellas, I know it's a grey day, but uh ... are you looking down the runway? Good call to go back to the gate.
 
🦈💜 said:
C'mon LGA, what the actual —?
C'mon United, get it together. You guys "waiting for numbers" to get off?
Hey Brickyard . . . Fellas, I know it's a grey day night, but uh ... are you looking down the runway? Good call to go back to the gate.
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Dark, raining, mile and a half visibility, and possibly the end of a long day. I can absolutely see how they wouldn't see another aircraft on the runway, especially if they'd already turned their strobes off.
 
jtrain609 said:
Dark, raining, mile and a half visibility, and possibly the end of a long day. I can absolutely see how they wouldn't see another aircraft on the runway, especially if they'd already turned their strobes off.
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Indeed.
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KLGA 060025Z 12009G17KT 1 1/2SM -RA BR OVC005 17/14 A3009 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 3 RAB05 P0000 T01670144 $
 
Looking at current NOTAMs I see multiple closures of Twys A & B there in the area for construction. That project has been ongoing, so I'm guessing A or B was closed on 06 MAY as a reason for having United taxi on Rwy 13 instead.
 
jtrain609 said:
Dark, raining, mile and a half visibility, and possibly the end of a long day. I can absolutely see how they wouldn't see another aircraft on the runway, especially if they'd already turned their strobes off.
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Even with strobes, especially the new LED flash on/off ones as opposed to the old school incandescent strobe lights, it’s very easy for the former to blend into downfield runway/taxiway lighting. Most especially in rain and the reflections it causes to distant/downfield lighting, as well as reflections from a wet runway too. Exacerbated by things like bright centerline and touchdown zone lighting reflections as seen from the beginning of the runway. It’s surprising how easily airplanes can nearly hide in plain sight downfield, in these conditions.
 
MikeD said:
Even with strobes, especially the new LED flash on/off ones as opposed to the old school incandescent strobe lights, it’s very easy for the former to blend into downfield runway/taxiway lighting. Most especially in rain and the reflections it causes to distant/downfield lighting, as well as reflections from a wet runway too. Exacerbated by things like bright centerline and touchdown zone lighting reflections as seen from the beginning of the runway. It’s surprising how easily airplanes can nearly hide in plain sight downfield, in these conditions.
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I’ve noticed with the HGS combiner down, CRJ tails really become hard to see at night.
 
SurferLucas said:
I’ve noticed with the HGS combiner down, CRJ tails really become hard to see at night.
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CRJ tails are found holding short of 8R at H.

Anyway, yes. Dark and reduced vis, sometimes you can see lights but not make out what they are. Don't get me started about the bar of flashing white lights at the far end of 26R in ATL.
 
jhugz said:
I hate to be that guy, but there’s a serious problem with our aerospace system I’m just wondering how many more bodies are required before it gets fixed. The Swiss cheese is working overtime to prevent more deaths.
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As it turns out, the philosophy of “do more with less” may not be a good model in some industries.
 
CoffeeIcePapers said:
Overworked controllers, too many airplanes in a finite space, the latest and greatest 50s to 80s tech, what could go wrong?
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And you forgot one of the biggest one, new folks. Even left seat at majors. Some of them touched a plane for the first time in 2017-2018. Some even wrote books about it.

Not sure on the controller side, but I have to assume it’s similar. The last 5 yrs since the pandemic, I’ve had many times being told something, and then an immediate correction by an (older) voice in the radio, which I assume is a trainee-instructor situation.



Green on green IS a thing, both CA/FO and for ATC.



Good luck everyone.
 
I can't zoom into the AF diagram in this video, and I haven't memorized this airport, but curious, was United supposed to have taken an exit from the runway that they in fact did not......and GND/TWR both thought they were off the runway because they'd been told to exit there and then continue on the route they were clarifying with ground? Not saying that is some huge hit on the UAL crew......lord knows those taxi instructions on roll out come in rapid fire (when I'm still transitioning from some wack ass landing and assuming the role of the radio talker again in the span of 11 milliseconds) and I might remember the first two letters or maybe only the last two. But I wonder if that was the first hole in the cheese here?
 
MikeD said:
Even with strobes, especially the new LED flash on/off ones as opposed to the old school incandescent strobe lights
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I mean obviously they're cheaper, or they wouldn't exist, but every time I see LED "strobes" I think we might as well just save ALL of the money and not have strobes at all. They're Christmas lights. Zero "shock value".
 
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