Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
No. But it’s the same faith I have that FADECs do their job. Or the bolts that hold the tail on are going to do their job. There are many systems on an airplane I blindly rely on.
Honda jet crash KFFZ, 5 fatal
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Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
Or worse they would compound their problem by giving up and grabbing the parking brake handle, which immediately locked up the wheels and sent them on Toad’s Wild Ride as well.
mightynimbus
Well-Known Member
OOOOH your soooo mysteriousYikes
Always sad to see a fatal hull loss, and even more so if lives on the ground are taken out.
I’ll reserve my comments for later, but I have a feeling and not a good one.
MFT1Air
Mfalme Soleimani
My prayers to the family and friends of those whose lives were lost.Off the end of RW 22L, into the orange groves at the corner of Greenfield / McKellips Rds.
12-year-old one of 5 killed in Falcon Field plane crash, officials say
The Honda HA-420 jet crashed just after 4 p.m., officials said.www.12news.com
averettpilot
Well-Known Member
I never had a problem with the Phenom’s performance. The owner did, but I did not. Wet runway, ice, snow etc, run the numbers and if the number is less than the runway available, land and apply full brakes and let the system do its job. Worked fine for me.
I don’t know what the issue is with Hondajets, but they either haven’t figured it out or the training is really bad. Every recurrent on the 100 they talked about the brakes and reinforced the idea that if you don’t respect the system and the numbers you’ll end up in the grass.
RIP to those lost.
I don’t know what the issue is with Hondajets, but they either haven’t figured it out or the training is really bad. Every recurrent on the 100 they talked about the brakes and reinforced the idea that if you don’t respect the system and the numbers you’ll end up in the grass.
RIP to those lost.
Minuteman
I HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT AUTOMOTIVE LIGHTING!
News says they were headed to BYU for a basketball game. The lone survivor was onboard the aircraft; an 18-year-old son of the owners.
The aircraft was owned by a holding company jointly controlled by two other occupants killed in the crash.
The HondaJet has a flight recorder (but it might be a customer option?)
The aircraft was owned by a holding company jointly controlled by two other occupants killed in the crash.
The HondaJet has a flight recorder (but it might be a customer option?)
Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
I hadn’t heard about a survivor. Itll be interesting to find out which seat they were in. Terrible loss for them though. I watched a documentary on “lone survivors” of mass casualty events. It was fascinating to hear the stories.
T/O w/FSII
Well-Known Member
Travis Barker and DJ Am were the only two survivors in the 2008 North Carolina Lear 60 over run. (Blown tire past v1 and tried to stop)
They survived because they were ejected I think. Both had massive burns.
DJ Am later died in a cocktail drug overdose a year later. Travis Barker, an actual rockstar never flew in a plane again until 2021 when he flew in Kylee Kardashians private Global. He still hates flying and hasn’t been the same.
I was supposed to fly him in 2020 and he got as close to the FBO before turning around.
So yea, not ideal.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I flew him Aug 2022 LAX-GEG. Barker, Kourtney, a bunch of the kids (she had some Kanye kids with her), and their nanny. They were going to Coeur D’Alene.
I noted it in my log:
I heard a part of a news interview with Mr Christopher Schiess, formerly Capt Chris Schiess, USMC. He was the Naval Flight Officer RIO backseater of the USMC F-4B Phantom that had the midair collision with the Hughes Air West DC-9 in June 1971 and was the sole survivor, managing to barely eject post collision as both aircraft were heading to earth. Upon his parachute opening, he watched as both jets impacted earth, with 49 fatalities on the DC-9 and the pilot of the F-4B still in the Phantom. The effect of the incident were apparent.
T/O w/FSII
Well-Known Member
More surprising than that yet also not surprising is you still have a current paper logbook?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Sadly yes. I never switched to an electronic logbook
All of mine, even today, are paper logbooks.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
How much faith do you have in VTec?
FlyingAccountant
Well-Known Member
Preliminary report came out. Nothing groundbreaking except noting that there was no evidence the gustlocks were engaged.
T/O w/FSII
Well-Known Member
Scratch that, 26/31 incidents are overruns now. 3 days ago.
Incident Honda HA-420 HondaJet N85NU, Friday 6 December 2024
The Honda HA-420 HondaJet, experienced an excursion from runway 24 during landing at Muskegon Airport, MI (MKG). The aircraft struck a runway sign.
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T/O w/FSII
Well-Known Member
Since my last post 5 more Honda Jets have gone off the runway. One into a river and floated nicely for awhile. 3 in the last week.
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Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
I know nothing about these things, but is this similar to the Phenom 100s that were skidding off the pavement rather regularly a few years ago? They seem to have fixed that (? at least I haven't heard of any more)
Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
I think learning has occurred. They started teaching the braking system differently. That and a lot of the 135 operators switched to the 300s I think.
roundout
VNAV monitor
This is fine