QX2059 Jumpseater tries to shutdown engines

Skåning said:
No don’t blame LA. 15 years at various airlines, I’ve never seen anyone tooth pick/floss/brush/nail clip in their seats. He’s looking for attention and to shock.
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Nor have I. Although, I have seen someone clip their nails at the gate while waiting for the gate agent to let us down…
 
Skåning said:
No don’t blame LA. 15 years at various airlines, I’ve never seen anyone tooth pick/floss/brush/nail clip in their seats. He’s looking for attention and to shock.
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haha well either way, I'm glad that so far we haven't seemed to have anyone in the left seat (that I've flown with anyway) who is this insane/uncouth. Obviously I don't see anyone else in the right seat, but I like to think we are very handsome and hygienic
 
knot4u said:
I think people assume the bottles discharge into the core. In my experience they let loose around the gearbox and inside of the inner bypass duct cover. By the time the bottles get blown the fuel and hydraulic fluid should've already been shut off (believe it or not we check these things) and shooting a bunch of stuff into the core is a bad idea for a lot of reasons, the foremost being what does anyone actually think it's going to do? After we check the shut-off valves we push the handles back in and make sure they open, I've never shut down an engine with the fire handle.
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I’ve had 6 separate post-shutdown fuel fires in the A-10a TF34 engines. Other pilots have had same. We’d specifically not discharge fire bottles because the fire is a core fire, and the halon discharges outside the case and inside the nacelle. So discharging bottles was a waste of time. Just as we’d never pull a fire T-handle either for that emergency, because of the need to motor the engine with this type of fire, and with the T-handle pulled, engine motoring is no longer possible. Some pilots were thinking pulling the T-handle would shut the fuel off, which is true, but it’s shuts the pneumatic off also. The checklist covers this EP, but it’s not a boldface item; but in the middle of the emergency, there was no time to retrieve the QRH and look it up. It did become a emphasis item to know after we began having a number of problems with this on shutdowns.
 
One time, as a brand new guy, plane captain gave me the signal during APU start that there was an APU fire. Unbeknownst to me, it is pretty common for it to "torch" a little, especially if you shut it down and restarted it a few mins later. Generally only visible during near dark hours. Both of those statements were true this evening. Anyway, I just did the new guy thing and blew the bottle. After lots of hemming and hawing, I think it was the Maintenance Officer who came upstairs and said "well ///AMG, good news for you, there was nothing in the bottle, so we don't have to tear apart the APU.....probably not good news for us though" Or something to that effect.

That all said, how did you motor an engine post shutdown? You talking firing the APU back up (I assume you had one)? We had some startup fireballs in the non-FADEC F404 (the after burning one I might add :) ) but shutdown wasn't normally a problem.
 
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NovemberEcho said:
So uh guys, don’t do mushrooms before getting in the cockpit

www.kgw.com

Off-duty pilot who tried to cut plane's engines said he'd taken magic mushrooms 48 hours earlier

Pilot Joseph Emerson told police after his arrest that he believed he was having a nervous breakdown and hadn't slept in 40 hours, according to a federal affidavit.
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Ha! And to think that the hedonist that is Todd, was a strong advocate for the FAA allowing 121 pilots to use meth on their days off. That didn't age too well. :bounce:
 
I'm sure all the usual "wut, he seemed like a great guy" has already been mentioned.

I will NOT ever empathize with anyone that wants to take themselves out with a bunch of others. Go blast your head off in the basement like an adult, •! 😡 Maximum piece of garbage of human.
 
Skåning said:
No don’t blame LA. 15 years at various airlines, I’ve never seen anyone tooth pick/floss/brush/nail clip in their seats. He’s looking for attention and to shock.
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I’m not so sure he’s far off…a couple of captains at Red Triangle have had FO’s acting ‘peculiar’ on long flights. The real winner was a new, but legacy, FO that starts painting her toe nails during the redeye to JFK. Female Capt was like “uhhhh, why did you think this was the perfect place to do this?”
 
SurferLucas said:
I’m not so sure he’s far off…a couple of captains at Red Triangle have had FO’s acting ‘peculiar’ on long flights. The real winner was a new, but legacy, FO that starts painting her toe nails during the redeye to JFK. Female Capt was like “uhhhh, why did you think this was the perfect place to do this?”
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Am I the only one that wouldn’t be bothered by this? I honestly couldn’t care less what the other person is doing as long as it doesn’t effect me, get on me, and stays in their half of the phone booth.

Especially on a red eye.
 
One of my observations over the last several years is that people are way to quick to deploy "mental illness" to explain when people act out in ways that defy our societal norms. Life is hard, and many of our traditional structures for coping with that have eroded. There was a movement to introduce mindfulness into our school system to prepare children by giving them the tools to self manage their emotions (such as through CBT/DBT, which require mindfulness), but the conservative minority has deemed that a promotion of homosexual satanic liberalism meant to groom children or something to that effect.
 
SurferLucas said:
I’m not so sure he’s far off…a couple of captains at Red Triangle have had FO’s acting ‘peculiar’ on long flights. The real winner was a new, but legacy, FO that starts painting her toe nails during the redeye to JFK. Female Capt was like “uhhhh, why did you think this was the perfect place to do this?”
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Uh, what?
 
Murdoughnut said:
One of my observations over the last several years is that people are way to quick to deploy "mental illness" to explain when people act out in ways that defy our societal norms. Life is hard, and many of our traditional structures for coping with that have eroded. There was a movement to introduce mindfulness into our school system to prepare children by giving them the tools to self manage their emotions (such as through CBT/DBT, which require mindfulness), but the conservative minority has deemed that a promotion of homosexual satanic liberalism meant to groom children or something to that effect.
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This is what infuriates me about the discussion or lack thereof around mental health. People of a certain sociopolitical persuasion treat mental illness as a “well it’s just something that happens!!!” Topic and absolutely refuse to consider that things like skyrocketing inequality, lack of social safety nets, pollution, and poor physical health might just be contributing to our mental health problems.
 
Roger Roger said:
This is what infuriates me about the discussion or lack thereof around mental health. People of a certain sociopolitical persuasion treat mental illness as a “well it’s just something that happens!!!” Topic and absolutely refuse to consider that things like skyrocketing inequality, lack of social safety nets, pollution, and poor physical health might just be contributing to our mental health problems.
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In that way, it's not unlike how we see cancer. Just something that happens, rather than possibly a product of all of the chemicals and pollutants we expose ourselves to, knowingly or not.
 
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One can, and should arguably, have empathy for the defendant. Even possibly a good amount of sympathy; if not for him then surely for his family.

That doesn't mean you condone his actions.
 
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