C550 down in California French Valley Airport

KLB said:
That would be an interesting operational control conundrum. Let's say the owner gives them permission to fly and they do not have the experience to understand that they still have to clear the flight with the management company.

*This is all speculation of course.
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Indeed, all speculation of course. It would be interesting to see how the aircraft management is structured with regard to access, dispatching and even fuel cards or fuel releases.
 
KLB said:
That's good to know! I don't think I'd be comfortable with it. But I am technically an employee of a management company. So my hands are tied.
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It can be a nightmare or a win-win depending on the personalities involved.

I might own an underutilized aircraft. Placement with a 135 management company helps me keep the aircraft maintained and gives the management company another aircraft to charter.

Sometimes, ownership has a stake in the management company and the primary goal is to subsidize private use via clever use of the tax code.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
It can be a nightmare or a win-win depending on the personalities involved.

I might own an underutilized aircraft. Placement with a 135 management company helps me keep the aircraft maintained and gives the management company another aircraft to charter.

Sometimes, ownership has a stake in the management company and the primary goal is to subsidize private use via clever use of the tax code.
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I gotcha. My account is 100% part 91. It takes owner and company approval for the plane to move. Interestingly enough, I'm the company approver on my account though.
 
KLB said:
I gotcha. My account is 100% part 91. It takes owner and company approval for the plane to move. Interestingly enough, I'm the company approver on my account though.
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Nice! Better than the owner of the plane owning 51% of the management company and doing whatever he wants, whenever he wants.
 
FlyingAccountant said:
Spending two hours RT in an airplane, even a private jet, to spend three hours in Vegas doesn't sound like fun to me, no.

Then again, after looking at the co-pilot's wife's Insta, this trip was probably less about practicality and more about, "let's do this because we can while giving us good superficial material for our social media".
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This was literally half of my career. Normal ops
 
FlyingAccountant said:
Spending two hours RT in an airplane, even a private jet, to spend three hours in Vegas doesn't sound like fun to me, no.

Then again, after looking at the co-pilot's wife's Insta, this trip was probably less about practicality and more about, "let's do this because we can while giving us good superficial material for our social media".
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Is it confirmed the 25 yr old was the PziC in the left seat? I thought the 25 yr old had a GF and the 32 yr old had a wife.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Is it confirmed the 25 yr old was the PziC in the left seat? I thought the 25 yr old had a GF and the 32 yr old had a wife.
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Lots is misinfo in this thread. Since I’m a local and active in the scene I can tell you it was a 91 flight, the airplane was not on any certificate, the 32yr old was the PIC (seat positions are unknown), and he had a reputation in the industry.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
Lots is misinfo in this thread. Since I’m a local and active in the scene I can tell you it was a 91 flight, the airplane was not on any certificate, the 32yr old was the PIC (seat positions are unknown), and he had a reputation in the industry.
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Funny. They almost always do.

If only we could get them to quit before 5 other people suffer because of it.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Is it confirmed the 25 yr old was the PziC in the left seat? I thought the 25 yr old had a GF and the 32 yr old had a wife.
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I don’t have any first hand knowledge, but everything I’ve read has suggested that the 25 year old with the gf, who was also on the plane, was in the left seat, and the 32 year old with the wife, who was also on the plane, was in the right seat.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
Lots is misinfo in this thread. Since I’m a local and active in the scene I can tell you it was a 91 flight, the airplane was not on any certificate, the 32yr old was the PIC (seat positions are unknown), and he had a reputation in the industry.
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Well this is a from-the-scene scoop; EVERYONE in the industry has a reputation! :sarcasm:
 
KLB said:
That's good to know! I don't think I'd be comfortable with it. But I am technically an employee of a management company. So my hands are tied.
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I was a 1099 when I was flying the 350i. Officially, the management company kept copies of our flight plans and the WDR manifests, takeoff and landing performance, and nominally exercised operational control. In practice I don't think I heard much from the management company except on paydays. Granted, we were flying it for family, so.

The other 91 flying job I had exercised more operational control, or at least tended to pay daily attention to where their airplanes were.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I was a 1099 when I was flying the 350i. Officially, the management company kept copies of our flight plans and the WDR manifests, takeoff and landing performance, and nominally exercised operational control. In practice I don't think I heard much from the management company except on paydays. Granted, we were flying it for family, so.

The other 91 flying job I had exercised more operational control, or at least tended to pay daily attention to where their airplanes were.
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It’s funny, when folks talk about 121 we all have a pretty good idea what they are talking about. With 91 and 135, we need a four paragraph description of the operation.

Despite this, the forum sees blanket statements made about 91 and 135 ops.

Part 91, at its best, is pretty impressive. Probably because it follows a bunch of 121 and military practices.
 
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