Jet fighters chase small plane in Washington area before it crashes in Virginia (Citation OA9-ISP)

MikeD said:
Don’t get me started on that jabroni, or your boy from your shop, Dan Gryder. Wannabe accident investigators.
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Well, there goes a birthday gift idea. I have to re-think his merch collection! LOL
 
Good reminder to also put the O2 mask on during training events. Discuss O2 system, threat and error management, rules and regs regarding O2 use. Developing the muscle memory of actually taking the mask out, inflating head strap, placing on face. COVID is not a valid excuse.
 
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nocturnalaviator said:
Good reminder to also put the O2 mask on during training events. Discuss O2 system, threat and error management, rules and regs regarding O2 use. Developing the muscle memory of actually taking the mask out, inflating head strap, placing on face. COVID is not a valid excuse.
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Oxygen masks were nasty before COVID, but yeah.
 
Rosstafari said:
I wonder how much it'd cost to add a hypoxia recognition auto descent to the more common avionics packages. Garmin already has it in the G3000.

For anything with an autothrottle and cabin pressure sensors, it seems like it'd mostly just be a software add on... but I also have no idea what I'm talking about and have an expertise on par with an old man arguing in a Facebook comment section.
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Some citations from the 80s had an emergency descent system in them. The one I’m familiar with would sound an alert from high cabin altitude, but required the crew to pull power to idle, and the system would turn off course, then dive at Mmo until a specific altitude. The theory is the alarm would sound before the cabin altitude was too high and as long as one of the crew members pulled it to idle before donning masks, etc. the system would handle the “aviate & navigate” if the descent.
 
Regarding the steep spiral/spin :

It can be assumed that the engines don't flame out at exactly the same time, so for some period of time the autopilot will be adding aileron and pitch trim in to attempt to maintain something like level flight with one engine flamed out and the other at cruise power. This could easily set the airplane up in a tight spin/spiral without any control inputs or AA missile needed.
 
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///AMG said:
I would be very surprised if this were ever part of a decision matrix anywhere. Small jets have gone into neighborhoods before, with tragic results that are relatively small scale. We haven't shot down any aircraft (to my knowledge) in US airspace, much less an N registered civilian aircraft on a flight plan who is just NORDO. That would be a pretty massive precedent to set, without much return on investment.
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Not for lack of trying though. :)
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Battle of Palmdale - Wikipedia

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(Spoiler: The drone won)
 
This plane is 2-pilot certificated but an FFA (I know!) single-pilot Waiver can be obtained.

CFI A&P said:
Some citations from the 80s had an emergency descent system in them. The one I’m familiar with would sound an alert from high cabin altitude, but required the crew to pull power to idle, and the system would turn off course, then dive at Mmo until a specific altitude. The theory is the alarm would sound before the cabin altitude was too high and as long as one of the crew members pulled it to idle before donning masks, etc. the system would handle the “aviate & navigate” if the descent.
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Unless by STC (don’t think there is one for this), these airframe did not have EDM available.

This may be Payne2.0, the previous short flight with this plane is indicative of some sort of MX (as mentioned above). This raises a flag to me as MX was a factor in Payne’s….

We’ll see, I guess. Thoughts and prayers for family and friends!
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Until AI takes over piloting, all Corpie jets need to be operated as a 2-Corpies operation.
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But you still wouldn't fly with them.

All things being equal, two pilots increases safety compared to single pilot ops. The question is really a matter of what constitutes "safe enough" for a given operation.

The FAA drew the line at a different threshold from Cherokee_Cruiser on this one.
 
jrh said:
But you still wouldn't fly with them.

All things being equal, two pilots increases safety compared to single pilot ops. The question is really a matter of what constitutes "safe enough" for a given operation.

The FAA drew the line at a different threshold from Cherokee_Cruiser on this one.
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Privately-owned single-pilot certified jet, Derg-only, sounds pretty nice tho.
 
Murdoughnut said:
That was the first I learned that the daughter on board had been adopted by the aircraft owner and his wife when she was 40.

I'm 42 in case someone with a fleet of business jets wants to adopt me too.
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Did you miss the part where they lost their own daughter at a young adult age, and this lady reminded them of her and so they adopted her?

Terrible loss, all around.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Did you miss the part where they lost their own daughter at a young adult age, and this lady reminded them of her and so they adopted her?

Terrible loss, all around.
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I did see that, but missed the part about the other woman being adopted. Also saw that he's a Board member of the NRA.
 
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