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USMCmech said:
No they shoot them with 20MM

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We did also drop a practice bomb on a school with a B36.

But yeah I remember that Viper having a weapons malfunction. I don’t know who was on the commanders S-list before they event but I hope they guy bought the pilot of the Viper a drink as a thank you.


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The China we know today is not going to be around in 10 years. They are aging fast and have so few young people. The same with Russia, they started the invasion at a time when they had the most amount of young people they will ever have for the next 40 years, if ever.
 
Kingairer said:
With the Chinese continuing to grow we cannot leave a vacuum for them to fill.
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China isn’t continuing to grow. They had their first population decline in six decades last year. They lost nearly a million people. And that is only projected to accelerate in the coming years. China will likely drop below a billion people in less than 50 years. They are dying. And to quote Kirk:

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SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
China isn’t continuing to grow. They had their first population decline in six decades last year. They lost nearly a million people. And that is only projected to accelerate in the coming years. China will likely drop below a billion people in less than 50 years. They are dying. And to quote Kirk:

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For a guy who is confident that AI will render large portions of the human workforce irrelevant, you seem awful confident in decreasing population as a sign of weakness
 
Roger Roger said:
For a guy who is confident that AI will render large portions of the human workforce irrelevant, you seem awful confident in decreasing population as a sign of weakness
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Not sure why you think this will be helpful. The problem with a shrinking population is that the average age of the population radically increases as the existing people age and aren’t replaced by younger people. This means there are far more people retired than working. AI actually exacerbates this problem, because there are even fewer jobs available for the few people who need income to be able to fund the retired.

Kingairer said:
Chinese *Military.
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A military can’t be funded by a non-existent workforce.
 
SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
Not sure why you think this will be helpful. The problem with a shrinking population is that the average age of the population radically increases as the existing people age and aren’t replaced by younger people. This means there are far more people retired than working. AI actually exacerbates this problem, because there are even fewer jobs available for the few people who need income to be able to fund the retired.
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If only AI offered some ways for a society to maintain its industrial productivity with a smaller worker base.
 
Roger Roger said:
If only AI offered some ways for a society to maintain its industrial productivity with a smaller worker base.
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That happened in Japan, who have severe population problems. But they started transitioning seamlessly to AI like 40 years ago. It takes time.
 
ArcherII said:
The China we know today is not going to be around in 10 years. They are aging fast and have so few young people. The same with Russia, they started the invasion at a time when they had the most amount of young people they will ever have for the next 40 years, if ever.
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That’s actually why a bunch of strategists are making it more dangerous in the future.

1. You’ve got a 90 million man (literally) surplus of 20-30 year olds in China and launching a war of conquest on their own authoritarian narrative might actually work out for them. That’s the less scary thing…

2. The Belt and Roads initiative has created a paper house of cards infrastructure throughout a lot of the undeveloped world and the people who keep it together are about to go bankrupt. What’s more they provided all the financing to boost up their own treasury which isn’t a good place to owe money to given their tanking economy. That infrastructure has helped fuel a mass importation of food and stuff that allowed places in Africa to get just fat and comfortable enough that when the plug is pulled it’s going to be a violent unwinding and combine with a mass economic recession of wage and capital. Example being Africa which doesn’t have an abundance of skilled workers to simply fix what’s about to fall apart because it’s dollar store quality infrastructure. They can’t train them or school them up fast enough to absorb or head that off, because we and others (Canada) are busy importing anybody with a technical know how to make up our own labor shortages. Now you have a continent of larger populations living more comfortably than they ever have whose means to be such are about to collapse. When that collapse happens it’s going to cause all sorts issues as we backslide into the • show.


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Lawman said:
That’s actually why a bunch of strategists are making it more dangerous in the future.

1. You’ve got a 90 million man (literally) surplus of 20-30 year olds in China and launching a war of conquest on their own authoritarian narrative might actually work out for them. That’s the less scary thing…

2. The Belt and Roads initiative has created a paper house of cards infrastructure throughout a lot of the undeveloped world and the people who keep it together are about to go bankrupt. What’s more they provided all the financing to boost up their own treasury which isn’t a good place to owe money to given their tanking economy. That infrastructure has helped fuel a mass importation of food and stuff that allowed places in Africa to get just fat and comfortable enough that when the plug is pulled it’s going to be a violent unwinding and combine with a mass economic recession of wage and capital. Example being Africa which doesn’t have an abundance of skilled workers to simply fix what’s about to fall apart because it’s dollar store quality infrastructure. They can’t train them or school them up fast enough to absorb or head that off, because we and others (Canada) are busy importing anybody with a technical know how to make up our own labor shortages. Now you have a continent of larger populations living more comfortably than they ever have whose means to be such are about to collapse. When that collapse happens it’s going to cause all sorts issues as we backslide into the • show.


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We'll collapse, but this is not why. This is beltway think tank fantasy.

And what does this have to with bombers or women in Afghanistan going to school?
 
Soku39 said:
We'll collapse, but this is not why. This is beltway think tank fantasy.

And what does this have to with bombers or women in Afghanistan going to school?
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It’s already happening China Africa Projects: Economically stressed China stops funding big projects in Africa - The Economic Times

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China’s Global Mega-Projects Are Falling Apart

Many of China’s Belt and Road infrastructure projects are plagued with construction flaws, including a giant hydropower plant in Ecuador, adding more costs to a program criticized for leading countries deeper into debt; “They’re falling apart bit by bit.”
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Africa just for example is going to need to import a mass influx of lent capital and a population of skilled labor that simply doesn’t exist to substitute for what is currently going away more rapidly than anyone would want to comfortably try and transition from. That’s gonna create a buttload of stress on an already overstressed region. Throw in some price induced famine Why tomato growing in Tanzania has become a struggle - BBC News and the normal racial have/have nots and blame game (currently ongoing in South Africa) and you’ve got a nice recipe for a s-show.


And what does any of it need to be connected with Women in Afghanistan going to school. We collectively as a country and a western alliance decided that wasn’t a worth cause years ago.


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Lawman said:
They still have loads of non nuclear ways they can effectively cause mass damage to our interests and more importantly the regional infrastructures that keep the global economy spinning.

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"Our" interests? To bastardize Willard, I don't see any "our" at all, sir.
 
form810 said:
"Our" interests? To bastardize Willard, I don't see any "our" at all, sir.
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In a global economy the nation who’s currency is the one everybody uses has a F lot of interests whether seen or not.

Russians could start doing things that effectively make it impossible to ship cargo across the pacific without undue and more importantly uninsurable risk. They still have that capability. That’s just a single example of ways they could make it worth our while to pay attention to their military capes.


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There are a few dirty tricks that they have had the restraint not to unleash. Not talking NBC type parlor tricks either.
 
Lawman said:
In a global economy the nation who’s currency is the one everybody uses has a F lot of interests whether seen or not.

Russians could start doing things that effectively make it impossible to ship cargo across the pacific without undue and more importantly uninsurable risk. They still have that capability. That’s just a single example of ways they could make it worth our while to pay attention to their military capes.


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Why spend money on shipping interdiction/harassment when it's soooo much cheaper and more effective to just use a bit of jujitsu? Overwhelm and foopjazzle our culture and cultural values with dis- & mis-information, stand back, and allow us to destroy ourselves?

Oh, wait! That's what they have been doing... for almost a century, and increasingly with almost complete impunity or even notice. Hell, they've got their own "news" networks broadcasting in America, their own disguised trolls on every "social" "media" platform. And most of the people enthralled by those networks and platforms have no idea they're ingesting Russian saw dust. I would give the Russians high kudos for a job well done, save for the fact that we ourselves built Vlad's culture-fritzing EMP weapons for him. Cheap, unmediated transmission tools combined with the extreme demise of American intellectual capacity renders us a pretty soft target in all the ways that really matter.
 
form810 said:
Why spend money on shipping interdiction/harassment when it's soooo much cheaper and more effective to just use a bit of jujitsu? Overwhelm and foopjazzle our culture and cultural values with dis- & mis-information, stand back, and allow us to destroy ourselves?

Oh, wait! That's what they have been doing... for almost a century, and increasingly with almost complete impunity or even notice. Hell, they've got their own "news" networks broadcasting in America, their own disguised trolls on every "social" "media" platform. And most of the people enthralled by those networks and platforms have no idea they're ingesting Russian saw dust. I would give the Russians high kudos for a job well done, save for the fact that we ourselves built Vlad's culture-fritzing EMP weapons for him. Cheap, unmediated transmission tools combined with the extreme demise of American intellectual capacity renders us a pretty soft target in all the ways that really matter.
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Oh yeah? How’s that working out for him? Seems to me that he’s getting his ass kicked by a third rate former Soviet power and we’re over here doing just fine.

Putin‘s little misadventure has pretty much convinced me that I should be as worried about Russia as I am of Lithuania.
 
SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
Oh yeah? How’s that working out for him? Seems to me that he’s getting his ass kicked by a third rate former Soviet power and we’re over here doing just fine.

Putin‘s little misadventure has pretty much convinced me that I should be as worried about Russia as I am of Lithuania.
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Again and it’s important to keep this perspective when we talk about preserving military capability and cost…

Taking over another country through expeditionary warfare (even when it’s a Texas sized neighbor) is a vastly larger and harder problem than just throwing a lot of rocks and spears to wreck the comfortable status quo for another country. Countries like Iran and Indonesia have the capacity to do the second one (partially geography partially because disruption is cheap) You can damn sure bet Russia still has that ability even after depleting combat power in Ukraine. Unlike more authoritative government/economies we can’t simply ignore our population and fix pricing to keep the proles quiet.


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Lawman said:
Again and it’s important to keep this perspective when we talk about preserving military capability and cost…

Taking over another country through expeditionary warfare (even when it’s a Texas sized neighbor) is a vastly larger and harder problem than just throwing a lot of rocks and spears to wreck the comfortable status quo for another country. Countries like Iran and Indonesia have the capacity to do the second one (partially geography partially because disruption is cheap) You can damn sure bet Russia still has that ability even after depleting combat power in Ukraine. Unlike more authoritative government/economies we can’t simply ignore our population and fix pricing to keep the proles quiet.


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While true, this display of utter incompetence has demonstrated to me that whether conventional warfare or otherwise, I need not be afraid of Russia.
 
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