You know what the world really needs right now? Another tran-Atlantic ULCC start-up based in Ireland!

[invadertim]

Hmmm, Belfast. Eh, US pre-clearance is for sissies anyway....

A new airline is planning low-cost transatlantic flights

 

[Skåning]

Who keeps financing this garbage?

 

[JordanD]

I'd love to see some kind of study for why this kind of thing never seems to work out. The LCC/ULCC model seems to work great overall, but for some reason it seems like when it gets applied to the long haul model it just never works out.

 

[Minuteman]

Pffft, all the cool kids are starting their airlines in Malta these days.

 

[Murdoughnut]

I'd love to see some kind of study for why this kind of thing never seems to work out. The LCC/ULCC model seems to work great overall, but for some reason it seems like when it gets applied to the long haul model it just never works out.

Except it does work quite often.

I brought Icelandair into two airports - TPA and RDU. TPA already had a somewhat low cost product in Lufthansa's CItyline A340 flights (think regional airline operating long haul, widebody international). Icelandair did pretty well until I also brought Norwegian in, who took a lot of their London traffic with them.

I brought Icelandair into RDU last year (flights started this past summer) and it's their top performing new launch market. With AA LHR and DL CDG the only traditional options, Icelandair can still charge a premium over some of their other markets and come in under those two. I've looked myself and Icelandair isn't that cheap - mostly because their flights are full. So full that they keep extending their season.

It's important to note that most U.S. airports give these carriers two years of fee waivers and a bunch of marketing support. So for the first two years, they're operating free of destination airport charges, with free marketing as well. After two years the route is either profitable and it stays, or it isn't and it goes.

 

[mikecweb]

Money ain’t going to launder itself.

 

[Skåning]

I'd love to see some kind of study for why this kind of thing never seems to work out. The LCC/ULCC model seems to work great overall, but for some reason it seems like when it gets applied to the long haul model it just never works out.

CASM, low seat price spread over long distances and costs for fuel/aircraft the same as the big guys who have premium cabins and connecting feed. It does not work and any competition or economic storm kills it. The proof is that zero long haul low costs exist right now.

 

[roundout]

CASM, low seat price spread over long distances and costs for fuel/aircraft the same as the big guys who have premium cabins and connecting feed. It does not work and any competition or economic storm kills it. The proof is that zero long haul low costs exist right now.

frontier be like “hold my beer, watch this!”

 

[Skåning]

frontier be like “hold my beer, watch this!”

They getting long haul widebodies?

 

[ASpilot2be]

They getting long haul widebodies?

Wouldn't surprise me. I imagine Franke wants connect all his ULCCs. So that might help make it successful if there's the ability to connect passengers.

 

[roundout]

They getting long haul widebodies?

Why would you need that if a 321neo can hold 307 (approximately) passengers?

 

[Avalon781ML]

Why would you need that if a 321neo can hold 307 (approximately) passengers?

It would then need the legs to be able to cross an ocean…. Can’t haul 307 bodies, their crap, and enough fuel to make Europe. Hearing JetBlue on the tracks at 290-310 is enough to make my head spin.

 

[DropTank]

Money ain’t going to launder itself.

Close the thread, we're done here.

 

[Kingairer]

*Northern* Ireland.

 

[Skåning]

Hearing JetBlue on the tracks at 290-310 is enough to make my head spin.

Apparently they can reach CDG and possibly? MAD. AMS soon too? Not gonna lie, a little jelly.

It still makes me go arooo with Southwest on the pacific tracks to Hawaii.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Bases? Upgrade Times? Are they hiring DECs?

 

[Burrito]

Apparently they can reach CDG and possibly? MAD. AMS soon too? Not gonna lie, a little jelly.

It still makes me go arooo with Southwest on the pacific tracks to Hawaii.

They'll do AMS but it better be on time with slots as tight as theirs.

Didn't (Continental) do Berlin with the 57s from Newark?

 

[///AMG]

I often see that Ice Air 757 at random spots at SEA. I’d get on it. 757’s are cool, and it seems like Iceland is cool. Based on youtube clickbait, they are also solely flown by attractive women, which is cool.

 

[ASpilot2be]

I often see that Ice Air 757 at random spots at SEA. I’d get on it. 757’s are cool, and it seems like Iceland is cool. Based on youtube clickbait, they are also solely flown by attractive women, which is cool.

I saw their 737 in Portland the other day. That's too much time on a 737.

 

[///AMG]

I saw their 737 in Portland the other day. That's too much time on a 737.

Oh gross.