New Alaska TA

[JDean3204]

I flew with one a couple weeks ago. Think he said he lived in Encinitas. Your friend looking for a friend?

yeah it’s the oddest thing, his cargo outfit isn’t panning out like he hoped it would. So he’s mulling the idea of laterally moving freight operators or going somewhere like Alaska or Southwest if he’s lucky enough to get an interview. He has some personal reasons to stay in San Diego and just like me, had a bad experience commuting in the past. I think that’s why we get along so well…

 

[alaskadrifter]

Per the Systems CP there are only 277 apps on file, so if anyone is thinking of applying now is the time.

 

[///AMG]

Per the Systems CP there are only 277 apps on file, so if anyone is thinking of applying now is the time.

Holy crap, that’s wild! Though that also might mean us guys stay reserve peasants forever

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

yeah it’s the oddest thing, his cargo outfit isn’t panning out like he hoped it would. So he’s mulling the idea of laterally moving freight operators or going somewhere like Alaska or Southwest if he’s lucky enough to get an interview. He has some personal reasons to stay in San Diego and just like me, had a bad experience commuting in the past. I think that’s why we get along so well…

One of my classmates does


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[BEEF SUPREME]

An angry 18% guy. Yawn.

I want the 121 airline I’ve chosen to hang my hat at to succeed. I’d like to see it grow so there are opportunities for everyone. That isn’t happening with 277 apps on file. Call me what you want but we need to attract pilots to this airline and our latest contract isn’t going to make that happen.


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[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Your latest contract was pretty damned good. What universe do some of you people live in?

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

Your latest contract was pretty damned good. What universe do some of you people live in?

Apparently, those applying do not feel that way…


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[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Apparently, those applying do not feel that way…


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I think you just underestimate the tightness of the current job market. I also seriously doubt the number given earlier in this thread.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

If you’re labor it’s seller’s market.

How did we get here?

How do we fix it?

The number was given out on the base CP call


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[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

The number was given out on the base CP call

Even a system CP is a notoriously unreliable source of information. A base CP might as well be TMZ.

 

[Skåning]

yeah it’s the oddest thing, his cargo outfit isn’t panning out like he hoped it would. So he’s mulling the idea of laterally moving freight operators or going somewhere like Alaska or Southwest if he’s lucky enough to get an interview. He has some personal reasons to stay in San Diego and just like me, had a bad experience commuting in the past. I think that’s why we get along so well…

I think the company will have a SAN base in the next few years, but I wouldn't make big life choices until it actually happened.

I want the 121 airline I’ve chosen to hang my hat at to succeed. I’d like to see it grow so there are opportunities for everyone. That isn’t happening with 277 apps on file. Call me what you want but we need to attract pilots to this airline and our latest contract isn’t going to make that happen.

Don't believe anything a chief pilot says, good or bad.

 

[Box hauler]

Per the Systems CP there are only 277 apps on file, so if anyone is thinking of applying now is the time.

If that’s true it’s pretty shocking. I figured AS would always have plenty of applicants just due to the PNW bases.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

I think the company will have a SAN base in the next few years, but I wouldn't make big life choices until it actually happened.



Don't believe anything a chief pilot says, good or bad.

I feel like you’re quoting me about management. I just don’t see any reason for them to lie about it…


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[Maurus]

I feel like you’re quoting me about management. I just don’t see any reason for them to lie about it…


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The CPs at PSA were a big source for tons of the rumors that were at PSA for some time. Most did not come to fruition.

 

[Maurus]

Your latest contract was pretty damned good. What universe do some of you people live in?

A universe where regional pilots are paid more money.

You know that is exactly what a lot of guys look at almost exclusively. If the pay rates aren't high enough they don't care.

 

[Skåning]

I feel like you’re quoting me about management. I just don’t see any reason for them to lie about it…

They aren’t looped in on strategic decisions. They’re just day to day people managers. The average union rep knows more about what’s going on than they do. Maybe they’re just clueless? Look at the personality type that wants to climb the ladder.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

I feel like you’re quoting me about management. I just don’t see any reason for them to lie about it…

Oh, you sweet summer child.

A universe where regional pilots are paid more money.

No regional is paid better than Alaska.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

I want the 121 airline I’ve chosen to hang my hat at to succeed. I’d like to see it grow so there are opportunities for everyone. That isn’t happening with 277 apps on file. Call me what you want but we need to attract pilots to this airline and our latest contract isn’t going to make that happen.


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Pilot attrition and retention = not your problem. They will figure something out.

They just instituted a 1000 hr turbine requirement. Apparently several people wash out in training. AQP training where they will literally repeat over and over again, hold your hand, etc.

Sorry, but that’s scary. The 1000 turbine requirement was apparently instituted after these kinds of people washed out. If they are instituting that kind of requirement, they must know what the pool looks like and how much harder it would be to get applicants. They want to hire 600 next year.

Nothing stops them from coming to the union to negotiate a LOA for more stuff (eg, higher 1st yr pay, bonuses, etc.). The union can leverage that for additional gains elsewhere.

Longer term solution? I get crap for it but it’s gonna be MPL / 1500 hr rule goes poof. My guess within this decade. There’s just too much demand for pilots and not enough supply. I’m fully expecting to fly with newhires in a 737 with 250 hrs at some point down the road.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Oh, you sweet summer child.



No regional is paid better than Alaska.

The 18% are just miserable and angry. Frankly, I think they’re disappointed their NO numbers were only 18%. Some actually thought this TA would have been voted down.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

Pilot attrition and retention = not your problem. They will figure something out.

They just instituted a 1000 hr turbine requirement. Apparently several people wash out in training. AQP training where they will literally repeat over and over again, hold your hand, etc.

Sorry, but that’s scary. The 1000 turbine requirement was apparently instituted after these kinds of people washed out. If they are instituting that kind of requirement, they must know what the pool looks like and how much harder it would be to get applicants. They want to hire 600 next year.

Nothing stops them from coming to the union to negotiate a LOA for more stuff (eg, higher 1st yr pay, bonuses, etc.). The union can leverage that for additional gains elsewhere.

Longer term solution? I get crap for it but it’s gonna be MPL / 1500 hr rule goes poof. My guess within this decade. There’s just too much demand for pilots and not enough supply. I’m fully expecting to fly with newhires in a 737 with 250 hrs at some point down the road.

The ATP requirement was going away last I heard. I've not yet heard anything about 1000 turbine. That's really going to limit the number of potential applicants.