Anyone Else Attend the SoCal Pilot / Controller Meeting Yesterday?

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I still remember the existence of Coast TRACON, along with the other terminal TRACONs that all now make up SoCal TRACON
 
MikeD said:
I still remember the existence of Coast TRACON, along with the other terminal TRACONs that all now make up SoCal TRACON
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Yea, I always thought that was a cool name, Coast Approach. On El Toro MCAS.

Burbank Approach, under the tower cab. I toured the facility before becoming an ATC’er.​
Also toured San Diego approach. Scopes were table top flat, Controllers we’re pushing shrimp boats.​
LAX Approach in an old hangar at LAX.​
Ontario Approach​
Palm Springs Approach​

Now they are all in one building.
 
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I worked at LAX Tracon in the old hangar in 85 as a GS7 Air Traffic Assistant. Great experience but washing out of the academy was the best thing that ever happened to me.
 
fholbert said:
Yea, I always thought that was a cool name, Coast Approach. On El Toro MCAS.

Burbank Approach, under the tower cab. I toured the facility before becoming an ATC’er.​
Also toured San Diego approach. Scopes were table top flat, Controllers we’re pushing shrimp boats.​
LAX Approach in an old hangar at LAX.​
Ontario Approach​
Palm Springs Approach​

Now they are all in one building.
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I took a tour about a year before covid when tours were shut down. The building is just northeast of MCAS Miramar.

The old TRACONs you mention are the new “Areas”. The scopes are set up as linear alleys down the middle of the room you can walk between, and each side of each alley is an area. Most centers are like this, but some TRACONs like Norcal and Potomac are a sort of hub and spoke shape (with the areas as spokes around the TMU in the central hub), and some like N90 I think are just big rooms with the scopes along the walls.

It’s been a while but I remember the areas being:

- Burbank (BUR/VNY/WHP)
- LAX
- Empire (ONT/CNO/RAL/RIV/POC/SBD/etc)
- Coast (SNA/LGB/SLI/FUL/TOA?/etc)
- San Diego (SAN/NKX/CRQ/MYF/SEE, etc)

Burbank sits in the same alley opposite the LAX final controllers and they totally give each other crap while they work. It was hilarious. :D

PSP is still a TRSA, and although I think it used to be an up/down it’s now part of SCT. I didn’t catch where on the tour, but presumably Empire.
 
Skåning said:
Is Palm Springs still at TRSA?
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Yea, what’s a TRSA anyways? I was an ATC’er at two different Stage III TRSA’s so no need to explain it to me. Much less Stage II and Stage I. I understand Palm Springs traffic dies off in the summer, that’s why it never made Class C.
 
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bimmerphile said:
what happened to joshua control that they got a 700% increase in traffic?
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Don’t know. When I fly through I don’t notice any different traffic patterns.

Monday I was getting flight following from Joshua at 11,500, some biz jet was on same frequency level FL450. That’s pretty typical of Joshua Approach.

I told the story last year of two aircraft on frequency at 85,000 and Joshua was calling traffic on a third aircraft. On the third call the traffic was above them descending. A week or two later there was a story about the X37 at Edwards AFB. Assume that was the traffic and the two at 85,000 were chase planes.
 
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Does anyone know if there is interaction between SoCal and Beaver who runs the FASFAC in the warning areas / FLETA HOT and FLETA cold areas west and south of Catalina island and San Nicholas island?
 
The FASFAC would be Navy controllers but if airspace borders or airspace is shared they would have landline comms
 
woodreau said:
Does anyone know if there is interaction between SoCal and Beaver who runs the FASFAC in the warning areas / FLETA HOT and FLETA cold areas west and south of Catalina island and San Nicholas island?
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Every time I've come into lax from oceanic and they are landing to the east, Beaver has dropped us down to some stupidly low altitude (1500 I think) 30 miles out. I asked why once and they said that way they coils hand us off to tower instead of having to coordinate with Socal.
 
I have a question for any SCT controllers or LA Center. I fly a for a 135 and based in VNY, so we go in there all the time and get the Janny5. I have done that arrival upwards of 100 times and have yet to descend via the whole thing. Most of the times we get step downs then cross something at something. What is the point of the arrival if we hardly ever get it? I know the one time I don't double check the box to make sure all the altitudes are in there will be the day I get it.

Anyway, we just usually laugh during it because we know we won't get any of those altitudes during the descent.
 
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