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[DeltaAlphaNovember]

For some reason tons of guys at AA feel like you have to be gear down before calling flaps 3. I’ll call for flaps 3 and they are like are you sure? Yes, I don’t want the gear out 13 miles out.
Then some guys that have been on the plane forever will go flaps 2 then back to 1 just to get flaps and slats out at 1 instead of just slats.
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I'd say 99% of the time that's how most do it. But that's the way they teach it in the sim. Occasionally I will have some call for flaps 3 and then gear down. Then again I've had some call for gear down before any flaps were called for.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Until one guy holds the stick full back on a dark and stormy night when the airplane is already confused. I agree in principle, and I embrace the brand A philosophy, but when things go sideways (or nose full up, in that case) it might be beneficial to be able to physically see or touch human error.

Not looking to start a debate, BTW. just pointing out, like you said, we can design a smarter machine, but we can't outdesign the human ability to goof it up.

I'd still prefer the sticks to be connected, and consider this the weakest component of an otherwise pretty good design. Love the airplane, but this is a weakness.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I don’t think that’s a uniquely 737 issue. The bus loves to get “stuck” when assigned 210 and already descending on the glide slope. When in doubt, throw the anchor.

One of our more...infamous instructor pilots is fond of yelling that you only need two terminal area speeds in this airplane, and it's 250/clean and 180/CONF 2.

 

[JustinS]

One of our more...infamous instructor pilots is fond of yelling that you only need two terminal area speeds in this airplane, and it's 250/clean and 180/CONF 2.

Now if only ATC got that memo.

 

[derg]

I'd still prefer the sticks to be connected, and consider this the weakest component of an otherwise pretty good design. Love the airplane, but this is a weakness.

I just glance down at the E/WD to see how furious the flight controls are flapping.

Besides, if the student is shaking the stick like he just got done peeing and we’re still above 1000 RA I’ll say “that’s you, let go, see? Think smooooooooth movements”

 

[ppragman]

I just glance down at the E/WD to see how furious the flight controls are flapping.

Besides, if the student is shaking the stick like he just got done peeing and we’re still above 1000 RA I’ll say “that’s you, let go, see? Think smooooooooth movements”

This is the same in every airplane I flew…

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Now if only ATC got that memo.

"Unable" is a complete sentence, too.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Besides, if the student is shaking the stick like he just got done peeing and we’re still above 1000 RA I’ll say “that’s you, let go, see? Think smooooooooth movements”

Shaking it more than twice constitutes playing with it.

 

[derg]

Shaking it more than twice constitutes playing with it.

Yes indeed!

 

[Baronman]

Once the airbus is on speed (and provided the wind if fairly steady) you can definitely go 5 seconds at a time not providing any input. It really requires almost nothing.

 

[derg]

Once the airbus is on speed (and provided the wind if fairly steady) you can definitely go 5 seconds at a time not providing any input. It really requires almost nothing.

I always tell the newbies to ‘let go’ for a bit.

”If you’re stirring the soup above 1000’, just stop”

 

[roundout]

Then some guys that have been on the plane forever will go flaps 2 then back to 1 just to get flaps and slats out at 1 instead of just slats.

Well that sounds standard.

 

[bp]

Hydraulic PTU.

And it's a robotic dog that is used for fire detection.

*mechanical hound

 

[L-16B]

Well that sounds standard.

Same guys that were starting the other engine right after the bleed shutoff valve closed and the first engine was still cranking. If I had to guess. Cowboys.

 

[Minuteman]

I wish we would send a group over to NBAA every year to see exactly how far the passenger airlines are behind in avionics tech.

I'd still prefer the sticks to be connected, and consider this the weakest component of an otherwise pretty good design. Love the airplane, but this is a weakness.

AFAIK these are not exclusive to Gulfstream.

 

[Baronman]

Same guys that were starting the other engine right after the bleed shutoff valve closed and the first engine was still cranking. If I had to guess. Cowboys.

giddy up?

 

[ppragman]

giddy up?

<Affixes spurs>

 

[tcco94]

What's funny about what @Derg said was on my first takeoff on the 220, the LCA said I was too slow on rotation. Just yank it off the ground there is no delay! It worked... But I'm glad I wasn't on it long considering the technique in the 75/76 is obviously not that at all.

 

[BobDDuck]

What's funny about what @Derg said was on my first takeoff on the 220, the LCA said I was too slow on rotation. Just yank it off the ground there is no delay! It worked... But I'm glad I wasn't on it long considering the technique in the 75/76 is obviously not that at all.

Airbus Safety had an article about proper rotation a few months ago. It mentioned the difference in pitch protection between the native airbus aircraft and the 220.

 

[roundout]

Same guys that were starting the other engine right after the bleed shutoff valve closed and the first engine was still cranking. If I had to guess. Cowboys.

I've actually seen that as well......"stand up rules" they called it.