Dassault Falcon 20E5 - Fatal 2 - 10/5/2021

[TUCKnTRUCK]

Thanks. So there’s a bunch of those that operate into TEB? Crazy, I didn’t know they were still so popular.

The 2000, F2TH is a hell of a plane. 42.8 max gross, 39,300 landing weight. 80% factor it’ll go into a 3500ft strip with no problems with enough fuel to take off again and go across the country. (LXS that is).

Not without its quirks, and it LOVES to tell you when you do something wrong- I am astounded by the scenarios that we thing will be problematic - and simply are not.

We moved into one from a hawker 900xp, which wasn’t a slouch when it came to short field performance, and the 2000lxs just completely blows it out of the water.


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[NovemberEcho]

So what’s the difference between DA20 and FA20? I work FA20’s all the time. Only worked a DA20 once or twice.

 

[Roger Roger]

So what’s the difference between DA20 and FA20? I work FA20’s all the time. Only worked a DA20 once or twice.

I think they stopped using the DA20 designation bc of confusion with the Diamond Katana

 

[CFI A&P]

So what’s the difference between DA20 and FA20? I work FA20’s all the time. Only worked a DA20 once or twice.

DA20 is the light single trainer known as a Katana or Eclipse. At one point the USAFA had them for trainers. I think they we’re even setup with primary instruments on the right side to prepare the students for left hand throttle and right hand yoke configurations in fighters. It is not certified for IMC due to a lack of bonding structure.

 

[Roger Roger]

DA20 is the light single trainer known as a Katana or Eclipse. At one point the USAFA had them for trainers. I think they we’re even setup with primary instruments on the right side to prepare the students for left hand throttle and right hand yoke configurations in fighters. It is not certified for IMC due to a lack of bonding structure.

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Yeah but the DA20 wasn’t and I think still isn’t the official flight plan designator for the Katana. Edit: Just checked, the Katana is DV20

 

[CFI A&P]

Yeah but the DA20 wasn’t and I think still isn’t the official flight plan designator for the Katana. Edit: Just checked, the Katana is DV20

Either way you’re sitting in an air fryer with the wheel on the wrong end.

 

[NovemberEcho]

Yeah but the DA20 wasn’t and I think still isn’t the official flight plan designator for the Katana. Edit: Just checked, the Katana is DV20

So I have now realized that there been literally thousands of Katana’s flying around on vfr ff that the system thinks is a Falcon because all controllers put DA20 for it

 

[TUCKnTRUCK]

I think they stopped using the DA20 designation bc of confusion with the Diamond Katana

They have manufactured under the name of Dassault aviation, Dassault jet, falcon jet… when using drop down lists while submitting paperwork. The DA dropped long before the Katana was a thing however.


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[TUCKnTRUCK]

So what’s the difference between DA20 and FA20? I work FA20’s all the time. Only worked a DA20 once or twice.

I think that was the “Fan Jet Falcon” marketing variant for the US. Could be wrong as they used to use a lot of different filing designators.


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[GypsyPilot]

The 2000, F2TH is a hell of a plane. 42.8 max gross, 39,300 landing weight. 80% factor it’ll go into a 3500ft strip with no problems with enough fuel to take off again and go across the country. (LXS that is).

Not without its quirks, and it LOVES to tell you when you do something wrong- I am astounded by the scenarios that we thing will be problematic - and simply are not.

We moved into one from a hawker 900xp, which wasn’t a slouch when it came to short field performance, and the 2000lxs just completely blows it out of the water.


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I’ve always heard fantastic things about them. I know they’re super popular with the Denver corporate guys (and the 900). I would love to fly one someday!

 

[Autothrust Blue]

is FA20 the designator? I work them into TEB all the time, although no idea what they’re carrying

Radioactive rat semen, right?

 

[CFI A&P]

Radioactive rat semen, right?

That is a possibility. Quest has a lab right out the front door of Atlantic Aviation TEB.

 

[Boris Badenov]

My recollection of Dumont Whispers is that the 2000 is pretty dicey going east to west in the winter. It'll do it. Usually. Probably. Just the sort of thing you want to deal with as a yoke-actuator!

 

[arkflyr]

My knowledge of the from friends that have operated it are that the 2000 classic is a slug and the EX, LX, LXS, and S are much better performers. My Falcon experience is just the 900EASy and it is my hands down favorite airplane that I’ve flown. Going from it to the 737 was like going from a BMW to an old dump truck.

 

[TUCKnTRUCK]

My recollection of Dumont Whispers is that the 2000 is pretty dicey going east to west in the winter. It'll do it. Usually. Probably. Just the sort of thing you want to deal with as a yoke-actuator!

It’s a 4000 mile airplane.. I mean no winds right now, but, it’ll hold 16,600lbs of fuel. Just a rough ForeFlight call, but, 4600lbs is decent amount of fuel. End of this flight probably burning 16-1700 per hour.

London city -> home.

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[bimmerphile]

That is a possibility. Quest has a lab right out the front door of Atlantic Aviation TEB.

Don't they have their own fleet of pilatipi and phenuses

 

[TUCKnTRUCK]

I’ve always heard fantastic things about them. I know they’re super popular with the Denver corporate guys (and the 900). I would love to fly one someday!

If you ever have the opportunity to do a demo flight with Dassault - do it. I never thought I’d be doing 60deg banked turns at 41,000ft…. Full on stall series at altitude as well (it doesn’t really stall) you’ll probably get to experience the over speed protection as well.

As stalled as I could get it, fully fly able with two fingers on the yoke just a nose high settle.

Then again, I also liked the 1900d… so maybe I’m not the best source


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[NovemberEcho]

Don't they have their own fleet of pilatipi and phenuses

they fly a PC12 into MMu twice a day

 

[ASpilot2be]

It’s a 4000 mile airplane.. I mean no winds right now, but, it’ll hold 16,600lbs of fuel. Just a rough ForeFlight call, but, 4600lbs is decent amount of fuel. End of this flight probably burning 16-1700 per hour.

London city -> home.

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Going straight to the hotel I see!

 

[arkflyr]

It’s probably been posted before but here is the high Mach demo of the Falcon 50, same wing on the 900 and 2000